Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Michel Jullian
Limited financial means are not a problem for a proof of principle experiment IMHO. OK let's assume one is able to extract energy from a single heat source, even if serious doubts subsist. What would be the practical use, considering there already exist compact highly overunity commercial

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Charles M. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:48:47 +0100 Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To avoid the

RE: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Steven, When these smaller atomic nuclei are created wouldn't that also mean that the individual protons and neutrons within these lighter elements have to suddenly regain lost mass if their atomic number is less that Fe? This is exactly what I have been saying. I'm glad somebody is

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Paul Lowrance
Michel Jullian wrote: --- Limited financial means are not a problem for a proof of principle experiment IMHO. --- I'm not sure it's that simple in this case. People debate about everything, including their own reality; e.g., Can you prove or disprove your life is nothing but a virtual

RE: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Hello David, When these smaller atomic nuclei are created wouldn't that also mean that the individual protons and neutrons within these lighter elements have to suddenly regain lost mass if their atomic number is less that Fe? This is exactly what I have been saying. I'm glad somebody is

[Vo]: Something fishy ?

2007-03-08 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.freewebs.com/radiation-shield/

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Michel Jullian
Sure, experimental evidence is needed, a patent doesn't prove that something works. Proof of principle experiment design must be as simple as possible and based on sound principles, it can be discussed here, other than that the actual experiment can be conducted in one's kitchen I guess. The

[Vo]: Re: Re [Vo] FET rectification-refrigeration-models-part of Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Charles M. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [Vo]: Re [Vo] FET rectification-refrigeration-models-part of Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:20:10 +0100 Michel

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Paul Lowrance
Michel Jullian wrote: --- Sure, experimental evidence is needed, a patent doesn't prove that something works. --- That's what I said. --- Proof of principle experiment design must be as simple as possible and based on sound principles, it can be discussed here, other than that the

[Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Paul Lowrance
People are talking about NSA working with Microsoft. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/59ceb37bb8bf6ea0/63b615317e57df5b?#63b615317e57df5b Regards, Paul Lowrance

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: The highly OU commercial ambient air energy pumping devices I was talking about are those residential heating heat pumps we have been discussing in the 'loop closed' thread, they commonly reach COPs of 4 (1000W out for 250W in, the excess coming from ambient air). I

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Paul Lowrance
Jed Rothwell wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: The highly OU commercial ambient air energy pumping devices I was talking about are those residential heating heat pumps we have been discussing in the 'loop closed' thread, they commonly reach COPs of 4 (1000W out for 250W in, the excess coming from

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Paul, Come on, you're not that naïve, are you? Even before the NSA officially existed, they were directly involved with telephone circuits. Remember back in the sixties when it was a felony to open your telephone and modify it? That is because the circuits have a feature that allows the NSA

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Thomson wrote: Remember back in the sixties when it was a felony to open your telephone and modify it? That is preposterous. The 1933 FCC rules forbade attachment to the telephone network of any device not furnished by the telephone company. They said nothing about opening up

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Millions of people opened up telephones in the 1960s, including me. I might add that my father was something of an expert at spotting and disconnecting 1940s era listening devices, because he traveled around Russia during WWII on U.S. Embassy business. The only way to get room

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Berry wrote: On 3/8/07, *Stephen A. Lawrence* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about you try working through the mathematics of the contradictions you think you've found in relativity, and post the results here? I mean, work them through using

Re: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/8/07, David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Future phones will be directly tracked by GPS. You're living in the past. :-) Most phones have had GPS chips since 2004. No one triangulates any more. It was a requirement of the Enhanced 911 service. Allegedly, I can turn this feature on

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Stiffler Scientific
I so hate to get involved in these types of discussions, but I do have first hand knowledge on some of what is going on and I will state it, even though I see already that many will dispute it. 1) Prior to ESS phone systems, the old relay banks did not work well for covert monitoring. It did

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Correct, but not totally. The introduction was by the Family Friends feature. Where is my girl friend, where is my husband, where is that bar where the boss wants to meet me. The E911 system was based on signal time domain to cell sites when first introduced because the chips were not yet

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stiffler Scientific wrote: 1) Prior to ESS phone systems, the old relay banks did not work well for covert monitoring. It did require intervention from the phone company that controlled the switches. It was possible to bridge a line and have it monitored via another line, yet the best method

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Jed, Remember back in the sixties when it was a felony to open your telephone and modify it? That is preposterous. The 1933 FCC rules forbade attachment to the telephone network of any device not furnished by the telephone company. They said nothing about opening up telephones. Millions

Re: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: There has been lively debate in regards to whether E=mc^2 is an accurate mathematical equation to describe whether energy is actually being converted back and forth between mass and energy. No doubt many are likely to consider it outrageous to challenge

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Well, well! The old phone systems. disconnected the transmitter (carbon mouth piece) element from the phone line, by direct open contact. If you dispute this get an old phone and check it out. In the older systems it was not possible without modification. I was the principal in NSI (search for

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stiffler Scientific wrote: Well, well! The old phone systems. disconnected the transmitter (carbon mouth piece) element from the phone line, by direct open contact. If you dispute this get an old phone and check it out. In the older systems it was not possible without modification. I do not

[Vo]: E=mc^2 without SR.

2007-03-08 Thread Harry Veeder
I scanned and uploaded a derivation of E = mc^2 which does not use the mathematical formalism of Special Relativity. Four pages from Max Born's book _Einstein's Theory of Relativity_ (about 1M): http://web.ncf.ca/eo200/derivation.html Harry

RE: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, Finally, uranium itself may seem to be a puzzle: Where did it come from? What reaction formed it? The universe started with hydrogen; how did atoms like uranium climb the energy hill? The answer, as I understand it, is supernova explosions: The supernova explosion theory is

Re: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Paul Lowrance
David Thomson wrote: [snip] Does it really surprise you that NSA is involved in VISTA? They have been involved from the beginning since Windows 95, only now they are getting an upgrade and you are paying for it. How else are they going to pay for these black projects? I've always wondered

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy Michel Jullian wrote: The highly OU commercial ambient air energy pumping devices I was talking

RE: [Vo]: E=mc^2 without SR.

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Harry, Thanks for posting the derivation. This is one of those cases where E=mc^2 appears to be true, because the math predicts a value that is useful. As I pointed out, however, E=mc^2 is not always true, such as in the case of nuclear binding and unbinding. Nuclear fission, regardless of

RE: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread David Thomson
Hi Paul, Any thoughts on Linux or Mac? The government's business is to know what its citizens are doing. You realize there are computer science divisions of the NSA and CIA, right? Do you really think they are sitting back and letting new technology defeat them? I only know a tiny bit about

RE: [Vo]: E=mc^2 without SR.

2007-03-08 Thread OrionWorks
Hello Dave, ... Another false prediction of SR is that it doesn't matter which object is moving what velocity, since it is believed there is no fixed reference frame. Yet, when cosmic rays come streaming through the Earth, the Earth's mass does not approach infinity, either. In fact, there

RE: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread OrionWorks
Hello Dave, Hi Stephen, [Lawrence] Finally, uranium itself may seem to be a puzzle: Where did it come from? What reaction formed it? The universe started with hydrogen; how did atoms like uranium climb the energy hill? The answer, as I understand it, is supernova explosions: The

Re: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, Used to be plenty of snooping on the Dime Box Texas telephone system back when we used hand crank up auto-dialing features. Every snoop in town would lift up their phone and listen in to the most intimate conversations and latest gossip. Can you imagine the size of the building

Re: [Vo]: Is Big brother watching?

2007-03-08 Thread Harry Veeder
These days I am more concerned with Big Sister than Big Brother. Harry

Re: [Vo]: Mass versus Energy

2007-03-08 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:55:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] Finally, uranium itself may seem to be a puzzle: Where did it come from? What reaction formed it? The universe started with hydrogen; how did atoms like uranium climb the energy hill? The answer, as I

Re: [Vo]: Re: Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles

2007-03-08 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:17:12 -0800: Hi, [snip] Understood. Now, would you like to take a stab at explaining the electron capture model ? I believe the basic premise is that a proton temporarily captures an electron becoming a neutron (with borrowed energy?),

Re: [Vo]: E=mc^2 without SR.

2007-03-08 Thread Harry Veeder
David Thomson wrote: Hi Harry, Thanks for posting the derivation. You're welcome. This is one of those cases where E=mc^2 appears to be true, because the math predicts a value that is useful. As I pointed out, however, E=mc^2 is not always true, such as in the case of nuclear binding

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy Michel Jullian wrote: The highly OU commercial ambient air energy