Re: [Vo]: OT: Smiley in advance

2007-03-21 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: To prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power and a possible threat to our so-called ally in the Middle East ... hey, with friends like that, who needs ... I realize we've been through this Jones, but I think they already are a nuclear power. Harry Tuttle,Buddhist

[Vo]: Classical Vs Quantum Mechanics

2007-03-21 Thread thomas malloy
Vortexians; I sent this letter to Hal Puthoff and received a thank you note. The Twin Cities Creation Science Association, http://tccsa.tc/ , set up a meeting with the physicist William Overan last Sunday night. Bill was one of Otto's (Schmitt) graduate students. Otto told me that nuclear

[Vo]: Re: Classical Vs Quantum Mechanics

2007-03-21 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Thomas, The word picture of the heavens will roll up as a scroll .. hmmm.. An end view of a rolled up scroll describes a vortex shaped spiral. As one begans to roll an unfurled scroll the diameter increases. The inverse is that the area of a single roll increases like a roll of paper

[Vo]:

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: The laboratory protocol for Phase 1 of the Galileo Project is available for any adult who is willing to sign a liability release. This policy makes no sense for the following reasons: 1. Mosier-Boss hopes to publish the protocol in a journal soon. Assuming she has given

Re: [Vo]: Deuterium analysis

2007-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Sorry to be so obtuse Robin, do you mean (Hy - Hy)+ with one electron orbiting around? Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Deuterium analysis In reply to Michel

Re: [Vo]: Re: Classical Vs Quantum Mechanics

2007-03-21 Thread thomas malloy
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Thomas, The word picture of the heavens will roll up as a scroll .. hmmm.. An end view of a rolled up scroll describes a vortex We see a scroll from the front, so I assume that it would be like a sheet of paper which rolls up from both ends Didn't I read

Re: [Vo]: BLANK

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
The title of the previous blank message was supposed to be: The Galileo Project: Those who do not learn from the past . . . Bill: Let's get rid of this crazy Vo: adding macro. It does not work! - Jed

[Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
But magnets will NOT save the world. Consider this: There are known recoverable reserves of Rare Earth Elements in the entire world of approximately 6 million metric tons. Of this REE about 20% is neodymium. According to Sean, he expects to get 0.5 W/cc from his technology. The density of

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Lowrance
Terry Blanton wrote: But magnets will NOT save the world. Consider this: There are known recoverable reserves of Rare Earth Elements in the entire world of approximately 6 million metric tons. Of this REE about 20% is neodymium. According to Sean, he expects to get 0.5 W/cc from his

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Lowrance
Terry Blanton wrote: But magnets will NOT save the world. Consider this: There are known recoverable reserves of Rare Earth Elements in the entire world of approximately 6 million metric tons. Of this REE about 20% is neodymium. According to Sean, he expects to get 0.5 W/cc from his technology.

Re: [Vo]:

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, Thanks for your thoughts and criticism. I agree with some of what you said. If someone wants to do this experiment, they can easily figure it out from published literature. So, they are free to do so. Have a nice day. Steve

Re: [Vo]: Re: Classical Vs Quantum Mechanics

2007-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Thomas, The word picture of the heavens will roll up as a scroll .. hmmm.. An end view of a rolled up scroll describes a vortex shaped spiral. As one begans to roll an unfurled scroll the diameter increases. If the paper is infinitely thin, you get a spiral in a

[Vo]: Re: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
Not sure those supply numbers are accurate. First off, the term: recoverable needs to be listed in the context of recoverable at a price per kg. My Oxford source says that abundance of Nd is very high - Nd=40 ppm in the earths crust... which is surprisingly high - much higher than many

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: But magnets will NOT save the world. Consider this: There are known recoverable reserves of Rare Earth Elements in the entire world of approximately 6 million metric tons. . . . There is not much in ocean water, either: 3.3 ng/kg. More than Pd or Au, but not enough to

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/21/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure those supply numbers are accurate. Here's a comprehensive recent report: http://www.lynascorp.com/content/upload/files/press_releases/BCC_FINAL_REPORT.pdf http://snipurl.com/1dm8v See pp 21-22 The figures include the new Mt. Weld

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/21/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or possibly some type of new magnet -- http://www.physorg.com/news84643085.html A hydrogen magnet would solve the problem! I think the nanosolar technology will probably dominate. Terry

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/21/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is not much in ocean water, either: 3.3 ng/kg. Yes, and the problem is that we are already up against the demand curve with present applications. HEV's use a lot of Nd. Terry

Re: [Vo]: The Galileo Project: Those who do not learn from the past . . .

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: Thanks for your thoughts and criticism. I agree with some of what you said. In that case your actions contradict your beliefs. If someone wants to do this experiment, they can easily figure it out from published literature. Wrong. First, it is not easy. Second, the

Re: [Vo]:

2007-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
I think all Steven needs to do is attach a _disclaimer_ to the documents. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Steven Krivit wrote: The laboratory protocol for Phase 1 of the Galileo Project is available for any adult who is willing to sign a liability release. This policy makes no sense for the

Re: [Vo]:

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: I think all Steven needs to do is attach a _disclaimer_ to the documents. Exactly. - Jed

Re: [Vo]: The Galileo Project: Those who do not learn from the past . . .

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote, or rather dictated: This is like saying that anyone is free to replicate one of these secret protocols for building magnetic motors, or Stanley Meyer's can that ran on water. I meant Stanley Meyer's CAR. All macroscopic events have a cause. This error is caused by Atlanta's high

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
Good report in places, and weak in others. But Terry - the numbers in there are far above what you were indicating in your earlier post, and even then, they manage to leave out some very large potential deposits. The largest source for Monazite - Madagascar does not even appear to be

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: There is some debate about how much of these precious metals are available elsewhere in the solar system, but I do not think this matters much. Once you leave the Earth's atmosphere and go to the moon or an asteroid, you can then use raw solar energy to vaporize as much low-grade or

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
As Paul suggests, eventually magnets will be made from synthetic materials, just as we now have fabric (e.g. polyester) made from synthetic materials. We won't have to rely on rare earth elements. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: But magnets will NOT save the world. Consider

[Vo]: Re: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, On closer re-read of that paper, I see where you got that figure, but the derivation of it makes no sense at all - the wild assumptions which were used - and basically they seem to be doing this work to justify the high projected dollar output of a particular mine which has a mixed REO

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bad News for Steorn

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/21/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, On closer re-read of that paper, I see where you got that figure, but the derivation of it makes no sense at all - the wild assumptions which were used - and basically they seem to be doing this work to justify the high projected dollar

Re: [Vo]: Bad News for Steorn -- USGS site

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: solar system to prospect for precious metals. 300 GW of Ne-powered rockets is . . . Oops. Meant Nd-powered. As in Nd-magnet electric rocket, an Ion or MPD or what-have-you. Regarding the availability of neodymium (Nd), see the USGS page on rare earths:

[Vo]: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread John Berry
Bill: Let's get rid of this crazy Vo: adding macro. It does not work! - Jed Agreed, let's make this a 'me too!' thread. My understanding is that the person who lobbied to have it added has left anyway.

[Vo]: New Energy Institute videos are doing well

2007-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Since I chewed out Steve Krivit for his wacky ideas about how research should be directed, it is only fair that I should point out that his newsletter is pretty darn good, and the videos he is uploading are excellent. Years ago I tried to get cold fusion researchers to agree to make this kind

Re: [Vo]: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread leaking pen
i prefer it. having that tag makes it easier to sort out by my filters, and get the vo posts out of the junk folder. On 3/21/07, John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill: Let's get rid of this crazy Vo: adding macro. It does not work! - Jed Agreed, let's make this a 'me too!' thread. My

[Vo]: Fix For Missing Subject Lines

2007-03-21 Thread Mark S Bilk
I recently sent Bill a simpler procmail recipe (as they're called) for adding the [Vo] tag, and he's going to try it. I used it for incoming messages before he started adding the tag, and it always worked fine. (Procmail is the Unix/Linux program for altering and distributing mail.) Here it

Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread John Berry
Your post made my point. It added Re: which because it is after the {Vo} isn't grouped by subject. Even worse sometimes a second re: gets added as in: [Vo]: Re: Re: Di-Ozone or even [VO]:Re:[VO] .. Schauberger But mainly subject deletion which is really bad. If Mark S Bilk's fix works all the

Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Stop the ad hominem please. Michel - Original Message - From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote Your post made my point. It added Re: which because it is after the {Vo} isn't grouped by

Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread John Berry
I sure hope you're trying to be funny. On 3/22/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop the ad hominem please. Michel - Original Message - From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

RE: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread David Thomson
Actually, John's assessment is correct and there were no ad hominem remarks made by him. You still seem not to have toned down your smug attitude and continue to incite negative responses. Dave -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March

Re: [Vo]: New Energy Institute videos are doing well

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, At 06:17 PM 3/21/2007 -0400, you wrote: Since I chewed out Steve Krivit for his wacky ideas about how research should be directed, it is only fair that I should point out that his newsletter is pretty darn good, and the videos he is uploading are excellent. Thank you for your opinions.

Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread Mark S Bilk
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 12:08:31PM +1200, John Berry wrote: ... for those who want to create a filter for vortex posts they can just use the To: vortex-l@eskimo.com field That won't work if the sender puts the list address in the Cc: or Bcc: line instead of the To: line (unless the list server

Re: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote

2007-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Stop the ad hominem David. Michel - Original Message - From: David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: No Vo vote Actually, John's assessment is correct and there were no ad hominem remarks made by him. You