Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:19:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] Has anyone considered that if C12 were converted to C13, the 4.9 MeV of energy released would break any chemical bond the C12 had within the compound as well as many other chemical bonds in the vicinity? Such

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:33:50 -0800 (PST): Hi Jones, [snip] One suggestion is that most of the excess was borrowed in advance, in the QM sense, to convert a proton into a virtual neutron. Jones I have already pointed out that this just isn't so. The energy

Re: [Vo]:NASA

2008-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:30:31 -0600 (CST): Hi, [snip] answer. It isn't that they can't hit the floor with their hat, their agenda is to miss it. [snip] Well of course it is. At least one aspect of there function in life is to be a deliberate sideshow. A form of

[Vo]:Minimum Speed of Entanglement

2008-12-09 Thread Terry Blanton
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.3316v1.pdf Testing spooky action at a distance D. Salart, A. Baas, C. Branciard, N. Gisin, and H. Zbinden Group of Applied Physics, University of Geneva, 20, Rue de l'Ecole de Médecine, CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland August 25, 2008 In science, one

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Dec 9, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Jones Beene wrote: - Original Message From: Edmund Storms When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change occurs: 12.000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which represent a loss of mass equal to 0.0053101 AMU. This is

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change occurs: 12.000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which represent a loss of mass equal to 0.0053101 AMU. This is equal to 4.95 MeV. The mechanism does not matter. If C12 is the starting material and C13 is the

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Jones Beene
Ed, Well I think that we now have honed-down the differing points-of-view to Planck time g You seem to be saying that even if a transmuton exists, it becomes a real unbound neutron (high mass) prior to becoming a bound (stable average mass) neutron. In contrast, I am suggesting that it never

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread OrionWorks
From Jones, ... In contrast, I am suggesting that it never becomes an unbound neutron; and instead appears ab initio as a bound (stable mass) particle without ever going through the stage of real neutron so there is no (or only slight) additional energy to dissipate. Jones Where is it

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: Ed, Well I think that we now have honed-down the differing points-of-view to Planck time g You seem to be saying that even if a transmuton exists, it becomes a real unbound neutron (high mass) prior to becoming a bound (stable average mass) neutron. In contrast, I

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Ed, Well I think that we now have honed-down the differing points-of- view to Planck time g Indeed. But let me add one more argument. We agree that C13 differs from C12 by the presence of one additional neutron. Therefore, for a C12 to

[Vo]:Interesting Microscope on Politics

2008-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
What a commentary on how things sometimes get done, and the need for the reforms in progress and even more. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/ 10illinois_complaint.pdf http://tinyurl.com/5adf8s Interesting that the Secretary of Energy is noted as the highest paid

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Secretary

2008-12-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
The newspapers say this is still at the rumor stage and Chu has not yet been definitely selected. Chu is quoted regarding Mills' and BLP : It is extremely unlikely that this is real, and I feel sorry for the people who are backing this. Actually, I tend to agree but not for his reasons. I

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation - Original Message From: Edmund Storms When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change occurs: 12.000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which represent a loss of mass equal to 0.0053101 AMU. This is equal to 4.95 MeV. The mechanism does not

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Secretary

2008-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The newspapers say this is still at the rumor stage and Chu has not yet been definitely selected. Chu is quoted regarding Mills' and BLP : It is extremely unlikely that this is real, and I feel sorry for the people who are backing this.

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change occurs: 12.000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which represent a loss of mass equal to 0.0053101 AMU. This is equal to 4.95 MeV. The

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Secretary

2008-12-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: The newspapers say this is still at the rumor stage and Chu has not yet been definitely selected. Chu is quoted regarding Mills' and BLP : It is extremely unlikely that this is real, and I feel sorry for the people who are backing this. Actually, I tend to agree but

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Secretary

2008-12-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Oh, I earlier neglected to mention that the following is interesting in regards to conversations of ROD BLAGOJEVICH the governor and JOHN HARRIS with others about the potential trade of choice for the open Illinois US Senator seat in return for the President-Elect placing

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
Apparently all spontaneous nuclear reactions are exothermic. This is required because a nuclear process cannot obtain the required large amount of energy from the local environment fast enough. In contrast, a chemical reaction is much slower and is satisfied with energy that can be stolen

Re: [Vo]:NASA

2008-12-09 Thread Zachary Jones
The shape-power material has significance, I thought. Did anybody take note of the helical energy structure at the top of the pyramid that was pictured therein? Or more importantly, know of it's origins. I've documented this in fluids, so the field sturcture will be of specific use Zak

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Apparently all spontaneous nuclear reactions are exothermic. This is required because a nuclear process cannot obtain the required large amount of energy from the local environment fast enough. Well, my understanding is extremely limited, but I gather that nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:04:33 -0700: Hi, [snip] Apparently all spontaneous nuclear reactions are exothermic. This is required because a nuclear process cannot obtain the required large amount of energy from the local environment fast enough. In contrast, a

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: Apparently all spontaneous nuclear reactions are exothermic. This is required because a nuclear process cannot obtain the required large amount of energy from the local environment fast enough. Well, my understanding

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change occurs: 12.000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the following mass change

[Vo]:Case and Mizuno

2008-12-09 Thread Jones Beene
In 2002 Infinite Energy published a paper What is Missing in Les Case’s Catalytic Fusion - it did not mention phenanthrene. No surprise there. Maybe just maybe - especially if Mizuno is even partly replicated, it will be time to revisit the Case experiments but with phenanthrene as a featured

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Microscope on Politics

2008-12-09 Thread R C Macaulay
I don't see any reforms on the horizon as yet. The horse thief's union meeting, held at the Dime Box saloon, were appalled at learning there were crooked politicians in Illinois. Richard - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Microscope on Politics

2008-12-09 Thread Terry Blanton
That's funny! How 'bout Rhode Island? Terry On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:47 PM, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any reforms on the horizon as yet. The horse thief's union meeting, held at the Dime Box saloon, were appalled at learning there were crooked politicians in

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:04:33 - 0700:Hi, [snip] Apparently all spontaneous nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] How can anyone, especially those that haunt this particular forum, where the emphasis is on LENR or many types which are seen in the literature - possibly expect this unique Mizuno reaction to resemble prior hot fusion in any specific

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 5:35 pm

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno comments on CH molecules, and on his personal situation

2008-12-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:25:06 -0500: Hi, [snip] oops i mean if He4 splits into D + D wouldn't that be endothermic if the reverse process is exothermic? Yes, but given the energy requirement, that's one of the biggest ifs I've ever seen. ;) Regards, Robin van

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Microscope on Politics

2008-12-09 Thread R C Macaulay
Whoa, Let's not kill the goose that laid the golden lottery ticket. You shut down Rhode Island and poof goes the lottery system nationwide. GTech would have to lay off workers.http://www.lotterypost.com/news/182035 Richard Terry wrote, That's funny! How 'bout Rhode Island? Terry On Tue,

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Microscope on Politics

2008-12-09 Thread thomas malloy
The Chicago Democrat machine could give the Godfather lessons in how to steal armed with just a briefcase... R C Macaulay wrote: I don't see any reforms on the horizon as yet. The horse thief's union meeting, held at the Dime Box saloon, were appalled at learning there were crooked

[Vo]:Shape Power

2008-12-09 Thread thomas malloy
Zachary Jones wrote: The shape-power material has significance, I thought. Did anybody take note of the helical energy structure at the top of the pyramid that was pictured therein? Of course Or more importantly, know of it's origins. I've documented this in fluids, so the field