Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Nick Palmer
Jed has shot from the hip, unfairly. Steve's visit to interview Fleischmann at his house, prior to both of them then going on to the Rome conference, was organised and agreed over three months previously. After everything was finalised, and very close to the interview date, it transpired that

RE: [Vo]:Radioisotope battery

2009-10-13 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Abd: At 09:29 AM 10/12/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10372233-1.html Cool. I assume that the radioisotope decays with emission of very low-penetrating charged-particle radiation. As long as you don't swallow it, this should be quite safe! And

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: Jed has shot from the hip, unfairly. Not exactly. Martin and his daughter told me their side of the story. Steve decided that as there was to be no interview we might as well buy Martin some flowers and a get well card. We delivered these in person and were met by

RE: [Vo]:Radioisotope battery

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:45 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: From Abd: Cool. I assume that the radioisotope decays with emission of very low-penetrating charged-particle radiation. As long as you don't swallow it, this should be quite safe! And eating batteries isn't particularly good for your health anyway. How

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:52 AM 10/13/2009, Nick Palmer wrote: Jed has shot from the hip, unfairly. I thought long and hard about whether or not to comment on this, it's practically a lose-lose situation. On the one hand, I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Krivit, he's done a great deal to benefit the

Re: [Vo]:Radioisotope battery

2009-10-13 Thread David Jonsson
Looks very promising. What are the obstacles to get thisbattery in public use? I find debate meaningless if there are like legal constraints. In that case the legal constraingt should be addressed first otherwise a technical/scientific discussion becomes meaningless. A lot of effective physics is

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:03 AM 10/13/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: When Sheila told you Martin did not wish to see you, that should have been the end of the story. You should have handed over the flowers with your best wishes, gone home, said nothing and done nothing. This is the family's business only. You should

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:03 AM 10/13/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: As it happens I suffer from neurological problems similar to Fleischmann's. That is obvious to anyone who meets me. It is annoying but not debilitating. I have never made a big deal about it and if it bothers someone they can go jump in a lake. I am

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Steven Krivit
Dear Vortex, Jed Rothwell and Abd ul-Rahman_Lomax have expressed themselves with a great deal of rage and outrage that I reported that Martin is suffering from Parkinson's disease and diabetes. Despite their mudslinging and pontification (a popular word here in Italy), the fact is that

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: NORTHAMPTON, MASSACHUSETTS, October 13, 2009. Observer Abd ul-Rahman Lomax, of Lomax Design Associates, today read the above comment from Jed Rothwell, which could explain Rothwell's sometimes erratic behavior. As admitted, Rothwell has difficulty with a pen, which

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: Jed Rothwell and Abd ul-Rahman_Lomax have expressed themselves with a great deal of rage and outrage . . . Disgust, not outrage. Despite their mudslinging and pontification (a popular word here in Italy), the fact is that Martin's health challenges are far from

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Nick Palmer
ABD and Jed. You are both completely failing to digest the point that this interview at Fleishmann's house was arranged and agreed months in advance. Jed and ABD's's bluster, imputing invasion of privacy, is ridiculous. If someone turns up for a scheduled interview it is not an invasion of

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: JR: Fleischmann is under no obligation to meet with Krivit or anyone else. He is under no obligation to give a reason why he does not wish to speak with Krivit. Yes he is if he agreed to it - even if Steve lived in the same town. That flights, travel, expense and a lot of

[Vo]:Large Hadron Collider may be reaching back in time to sabotage itself

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
My sister sent me this link under the Subject: huh? wtf? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html QUOTE: A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Steven Krivit
Jed, As before, I thank you for your opinions. And certainly Bill Beatty is wise and cool-headed enough to notice that I have not made personal attacks against you, but you have against me. Steve At 11:27 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Steven Krivit wrote: Jed Rothwell and Abd

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Steven Krivit
Frankly, if I were Bill Beaty, I would delete this whole thread and ban Krivit if he does not stop this nonsense. Jed, I never thought I'd see the day that you would encourage censorship, either post facto, or pre-emptively. Steve

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: Jed, I never thought I'd see the day that you would encourage censorship, either post facto, or pre-emptively. Then you haven't been paying attention. I have often done this, such as when people posted rude messages or highly off-topic stuff. This is the first time I

Re: [Vo]:Large Hadron Collider may be reaching back in time to sabotage itself

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Sounds like self deprecating humor to me. A comment of the difficulty of finding the Higgs boson (BTW you can search for a very long time for something that doesn't exist). You would think so, but these people are serious. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:44 PM 10/13/2009, Steven Krivit wrote: Dear Vortex, Jed Rothwell and Abd ul-Rahman_Lomax have expressed themselves with a great deal of rage and outrage that I reported that Martin is suffering from Parkinson's disease and diabetes. No. And if you think that's what happened, Steve,

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann??

2009-10-13 Thread Chris Zell
Personally, I wonder if the scientific community is nearly incapable of progress because it's dominated by undiagnosed Aspergers and related syndromes.  Instead of being fascinated by shiny objects, they obsess about assorted technicalities and tend to be puzzled by common social demands. Hint,

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:51 PM 10/13/2009, Nick Palmer wrote: ABD and Jed. You are both completely failing to digest the point that this interview at Fleishmann's house was arranged and agreed months in advance. Jed and ABD's's bluster, imputing invasion of privacy, is ridiculous. If someone turns up for a

Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-10-13 Thread Ron Wormus
This link is for Harry; Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091011071349.htm Doesn't sound like anything is ever going to be powered by it. Ron --On Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:28 AM +1100 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
On a completely personal note, I would not want to give the impression that I have Parkinson's. I have no idea what it is, and neither do the doctors. They call it essential tremor, where essential is medical jargon meaning 'built-in, always there,' or 'we don't have a clue what causes it.'

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann??

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:58 PM 10/13/2009, Chris Zell wrote: Personally, I wonder if the scientific community is nearly incapable of progress because it's dominated by undiagnosed Aspergers and related syndromes. Instead of being fascinated by shiny objects, they obsess about assorted technicalities and tend to

Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-10-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:20 PM 10/13/2009, Ron Wormus wrote: This link is for Harry; Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091011071349.htm Doesn't sound like anything is ever going to be powered by it. Ron Yeah. Persistent Current

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Terry Blanton
sigh Terry

Re: [Vo]:Large Hadron Collider may be reaching back in time to sabotage itself

2009-10-13 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through

Re: [Vo]:Large Hadron Collider may be reaching back in time to sabotage itself

2009-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle Mcallister wrote: Unfalsifiability. We have gone from a science, to a religion. I agree in general this is true of high energy physics, but to give credit where it is due, one of the physicist who proposed this did propose some tests, statistical in nature. Details were not given and I

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Nick Palmer
I seem to recall that essential tremor is eased by alcoholic beverages whereas Parkinson's is not. Anyway, it's a good excuse to buy some wine... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer

RE: [Vo]:Fleischmann

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Iverson
Jed wrote: Fleischmann told me he has had the problem for a long time. I'm outraged, how could you be so insensitive to reveal in a public forum personal health details that someone told you!!! Me thinks this touches an emotional 'button' for both Jed and ABD... And that comment Jed made

[Vo]: including ALL the physics...

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Iverson
This sort of thing makes me wonder about scientists, or the scientific 'process'... For those of you more familiar with the details of atomic/molecular physics, can you please explain why you would even think that the magnetic orientation/properties of copper atoms in covalent bonds would be

Re: [Vo]:those more knowledgeable, please chip in

2009-10-13 Thread Esa Ruoho
hi steve.. well, so far it seems that allmagnetics have done a really poor photoshop job: http://www.allmagnetics.com/images/device/probe3.gif look very carefully as to where the steorn logo-type and text would be. http://www.steorn.com/images/lab-hallprobe01.jpg yep. smudged. the question, of