How does this thing work? Is it real?
see:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,665182,00.html
Please provide your own ironic joke.
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there. Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating pork
(chimpanzee, etc.) might have similar drawbacks due to
On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there.
Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating
pork
But the mad cow prions are only found in the brain and spinal cord.
just dont eat that part!
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from
At 05:22 PM 12/3/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
2. In theory papers I do not recall seeing a section titled
predictions or something like that.
To be fair, in LENR, so little is known with solidity about what's
going on that even if a theory is correct in general outlines, it
could be difficult
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is cultured
meat, which has big advantages in this
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and ancient) viral
and bacterial origin? Are you aware of
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's
Yes it is real, but the welsh onion is not real because it is made of paper.
Horace Heffner built one:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hheffner3#p/a/u/2/3cllaQFkxQQ
some others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PgR1hyXHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g60okBMeTKo
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
If this is a comment about any kind of cultured meat -- beef, pork or
human -- then it
Rick Monteverde wrote:
We are now living in the golden age of self determination,
free market competition, and freedom from government interference.
That's changing, and fast.
That is true. The trend is accelerating. People can educate their
children at home, which would have been against
Alexander Hollins wrote:
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
True, obviously. That's the whole point of digestion.
Wrangham makes this point in his discussion of the raw food
movements in the U.S. and Germany, which he thinks are
Jed wrote:
Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do these
people, know enough about history to know how
I agree that the raw food movement in terms of some claims (that the
natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them into
amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from NOT
cooking it? enh?
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do these
people, know enough about history .
Alexander Hollins wrote:
I agree that the raw food movement in terms of some claims (that
the natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them
into amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from
NOT cooking it? enh?
Yes. That is a counter-intuitive conclusion,
So then Jed sez: Ah, then you know the wrong history, or you misinterpret
it, you poor dears.
I'm well aware there was far less freedom in all categories in the past, not
to mention elsewhere in the world today. My regret is that we are willingly
giving up what we have now to return to a form of
I wrote:
There are even records of people stuck on desert islands and in the
Australian outback without fire who had plenty of food yet starved
to death. Some did; others were emaciated but lived to tell the tale.
It is even worse! Wrangham describes this in chapter 1:
In 1860 Robert Burke
well, yes, early colonials in the americas ran into the same issue
with corn. but thats not ALL plants.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
There are even records of people stuck on desert islands and in the
Australian outback without fire who
On 12/04/2009 01:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is
Global swarming?
Terry
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Chris Zell chrisrz...@yahoo.com wrote:
see:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,665182,00.html
Please provide your own ironic joke.
On 12/04/2009 02:29 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and
I eat my beef raw to almost raw (rare, brown on the outside and 98.6
in the center) all the time. Its not unsafe as long as its stored
correctly, and more nutritious, less heat damage to a lot of the
aminos, and a lot of the really good vitamins leak out in the broth
when you cook it. and the
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I think I read that a single cell could produce a significant
fraction of the world supply of meat, although it runs out
eventually. (Stops dividing.)
It shouldn't, not if it's a stem cell. Stem cells express telomerase.
Yes. I do not know why there is a limit,
(Gasp!) Jed does not like sushi?!
Terry
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alexander Hollins wrote:
well, yes, early colonials in the americas ran into the same issue with
corn. but thats not ALL plants.
Yes, as I said, Wrangham makes it clear that
More about the limits to how much you can make from one cell:
Is cultured meat genetically-modified?
There is nothing in the production of cultured meat that necessarily
involves genetic modification. The cells that can be used to produce
cultured meat are muscle and stem cells from farm
Terry -
(Gasp!) Jed does not like sushi?!
LOL! Me too, reading that was a bit like the head rush I get from the usual
overdose of fresh wasabi!
- R.
Interesting new approach:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/asteroid-deflection-tether/http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/asteroid-deflection-tether/
This proposal has attracted some really stupid comments from people
who are not thinking the matter thorough, including
Terry Blanton wrote:
(Gasp!) Jed does not like sushi?!
I don't much care for green tea, either.
- Jed
(If it's a little poisonous to humans, well, what's it doing in a
food crop to start with? And if it's not even a little poisonous to
humans, why are there restrictions on how much of the toxin can be
present in the plant if it's to be sold as food? Hmph.)
because people screamed franken food
If we are what we eat wouldn't eating sapien flesh make us more human(e)?
Terry
http://www.wbabin.net/index.htm
They have some interesting recent stuff, but here I found the alphabetical list
of submissions, and lo and behold...
http://wbabin.net/valev/valev2.pdf
Another one by the same Author;
Science Infected with Inconsistancy(2005)
http://wbabin.net/valev/valev.pdf
See comments below...
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
(Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 3:02
* Happens to be. He happens to be black. Like it's a fucking
accident, you know. He happens to be black? Yes, he happens to be
black. Ah, yes, yes, yes. He had two black parents? Oh, yes, that's
right, two black parents. And they fucked? Oh, indeed they did. So
where does the surprise part
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
* Happens to be. He
V,
If you can watch this with a straight face, well, I'm rather impressed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0bKq3x74UE
I don't know if Koji Kondo would be amused or horrified. But, if that made your
ears bleed, then THIS is freaking cool, and straight from the man himself:
On 12/04/2009 10:48 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Just one more thing, apologies to Columbo: Stephen, you stated your feelings
against laboratory grown meat, as it would lower the price potentially further,
putting it even more in the price range of the 'poor.' If that was not your
truly amazing.
seems he can play just about anything
Harry
- Original Message
From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 11:45:24 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Just for fun, something lighter.
V,
If you can watch this with a
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
(Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:55 PM
It wasn't; I was mostly thinking in
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