[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Wired: America's Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate

2010-03-30 Thread Nick Palmer
Jed wrote about the US's wind potential. You Americans, particularly the right-wingers, ought to stop any obstructive tactics right now or your country will end up as a second rate power in the low carbon economy of the future. What China has been doing has been put forward as an excuse to do

[Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I was thinking about catalytic action inside a Casimir cavity vs an individual atom of catalyst. According to Moddel Assessment of proposed electromagnetic quantum vacuum energy extraction methods http://www.calphysics.org/articles/Moddel_VacExtrac.pdf “In the case of the Lamb shift the

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Wired: America's Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: China has now surpassed the US in renewables and is growing installation at an incredible rate. http://greeneconomypost.com/greening-china-surpass-america-4782.htm This columnist seems alarmed by the fact that China is moving ahead. It seems to me that is cause for

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Roarty, Francis X * * I was thinking about catalytic action inside a Casimir cavity vs. an individual atom of catalyst. According to Moddel http://www.calphysics.org/articles/Moddel_VacExtrac.pdf Assessment of proposed electromagnetic quantum vacuum energy extraction methods In

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Wired: America's Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 03/30/2010 10:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If they [China] were moving ahead rapidly in cold fusion I would be thrilled. Actually, they may be, since they are paying for Arata's work, and reportedly replicating it back in China. Yow! That's wild! Can you provide more info on that --

Re: [Vo]:Proposed compendium of arguments

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:56 PM 3/29/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Which is, of course, brilliant. What is the context? This argument practically would take care of itself, all it would take is clear exposition of it. Would anyone defend it? If I'm correct, that argument depended on the

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:22 Jones Beene said Moddel is looking at this situation with blinders on. There are several ways to get excess heat from hydrogen via Casimir cavities that have come up here periodically for discussion, aside from variations on the fractional hydrogen theme. The Lamb

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 03/30/2010 11:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote: This came up a few years ago as a possible explanation to the Moller MAHG which was claimed to have a gigantic COP 20 until Naudin’s silly measurement error was discovered by George Holz. BTW – side note - to his discredit, JLN has never

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Wired: America's Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If they [China] were moving ahead rapidly in cold fusion I would be thrilled. Actually, they may be, since they are paying for Arata's work, and reportedly replicating it back in China. Yow! That's wild! Can you provide more info on that -- particularly on the

[Vo]:Open Source hot fusion announcement today - FYI

2010-03-30 Thread Mark Goldes
Edison's Idea Factory to Ignite 2 Industrial Revolutions? Privately-Funded Hot Fusion Program Aims At 2010 Energy Break-Even Posted on : 2010-03-30 Anticipating net energy in 2010 or 2011, Energy Made Cleanly CTO Matthew R. Wood plans to aggressively minimize commercialization delays

Re: [Vo]:Proposed compendium of arguments

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:30 PM 3/29/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: In an examination of arguments, all arguments should be presented in such a way that those who believe the argument would say, Yes, that's what we believe. I quote the skeptics verbatim. What they are saying is not

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen, Unfortunately he never showed actual real time volts and amps going in, so it's anybody's guess how true the RMS numbers from the Fluke 123 really are (unless you've run your own tests on that particular meter). Sticking the label true RMS on something is a lot easier than making it

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 03/30/2010 01:53 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Stephen, Unfortunately he never showed actual real time volts and amps going in, so it's anybody's guess how true the RMS numbers from the Fluke 123 really are (unless you've run your own tests on that particular meter). Sticking the label true

Re: [Vo]:Open Source hot fusion announcement today - FYI

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
A bit ambitious as yet. Premature, probably. This is hot fusion, by the way. Different approach, in theory much more practical for small devices. Practicality appears unconfirmed. That's the first step. http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/category/C30/ History is at

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence Do you by any chance have a URL? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aH-gen Look for messages in 2005-6 from George, Dennis Cravens, Terry and one Dutch guy. Forget Frolov, as he was part of the problem. Here is the present gifnet site where they

[Vo]:Power measurement

2010-03-30 Thread Horace Heffner
Any good electronics guy should be able to build his own analog power measurement device fairly cheaply these days, and interface to computer A/D if useful too. There are numerous Analog Devices chips available. If high frequency transients are important then a 4 quadrant analog multiply

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 03/30/2010 03:02 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence Do you by any chance have a URL? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aH-gen Thanks; I will check that out. (In fact I think you already posted that link, but I didn't realize what it was.

Re: [Vo]:Proposed compendium of arguments

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The article was deleted from mainspace, article space. The article was userfied at my request. Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abd/Cold_fusion_controversy You can see the article history at

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence If JLN was reading peak amps and dividing by 20 to get RMS amps, then he was off by a factor of about 4.5. Square output with a 5% duty cycle has an RMS value of 1/sqrt(20) times the peak value. [snip] But neither of these scenarios produces

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
To answer this question first: Do you have a problem with it based on the data ? So far I haven't seen anything that looked bogus in any of the data, and that's strange. I looked through all the messages from late 2005 through the present on aH-gen, and found nothing which pointed up errors

Re: [Vo]:Proposed compendium of arguments

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This refers to Miles, but Miles is not mentioned by name and not referenced in the index. Right. Miles is in the 1993 index, ref to pages 243 and 244, which are in the epilogue. On p. 243, Huizenga says he already mentioned Miles on pages 135 and 212. The paper

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence That's certainly true -- it looks suspicious. But again, it's not conclusive, and it doesn't point to any specific error. Thinking back on it, there was never a smoking gun or specific error IIRC, but the most convincing thing now, in

[Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steve Krivit sent me the following message. He told me he has cut me off with the Delete Before Read feature, so there is no point to responding to him. If his mysterious friend (Mitchell Swartz, I'll bet) communicates with him again, I suggest you tell him to buy the book How to Lie with

Re: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
To reiterate, the cheap trick I referred to was removing the bottom of the graph (the zero line) and the numbers from the axes. Krivit says that was simplified so people can get the larger picture. It doesn't look simplified to me but anyway, don't ever do that, for any reason. That's what I

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Terry Blanton
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/aH-gen/messages Wasn't that your group, Jones? Go there and see if you have a gold crown. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Alexander Hollins
the larger picture being, what we want them to think On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: To reiterate, the cheap trick I referred to was removing the bottom of the graph (the zero line) and the numbers from the axes. Krivit says that was simplified so

RE: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Francis X Roarty
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:22:45 Jones Beene said [Quote]When the spin flips, a photon is always emitted or absorbed, and a tiny amount of heat is transferred. At high pressure, the flipping could happen at rate measured in terahertz (blackbody kinetic rate) so even a tiny heat difference (micro-eV)

[Vo]:glabal warming conference

2010-03-30 Thread FZNIDARSIC
I attended a global warming conference today at the University of Pittsburgh. I was not convinced of the reality of it, is global warming real or is it not real. We will it have a bad effect or will some warming be good. So what if the ice melts, ice is good for nothing. China wants

Re: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I don't see anything wrong with the way Krivit presented the data in order to make his point. Harry From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:46:42 PM Subject: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick Steve Krivit sent me the following

Re: [Vo]:non radiative transfer of energy

2010-03-30 Thread Horace Heffner
It's all a Fluke. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

[Vo]:Krivit's new claim, transcript of ACS Krivit Pop Quiz

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/blog/?p=138 This is going to take some work. Krivit is claiming contradiction. Headline: « http://newenergytimes.com/v2/blog/?p=138McKubre Recalibrates Cold Fusion Data http://newenergytimes.com/v2/blog/?p=139EPRI, Passell Contradict McKubre Michael McKubre, of

Re: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:30 PM 3/30/2010, you wrote: I don't see anything wrong with the way Krivit presented the data in order to make his point. Well, I have not examined this particular claim of Krivit's. Apparently I should. Generally speaking, though, if you are trying to make a point that someone altered

Re: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick

2010-03-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:30 PM 3/30/2010, Harry Veeder wrote: I don't see anything wrong with the way Krivit presented the data in order to make his point. As I just mentioned in another post, I haven't studied his point in this case. Perhaps you'd take a look and explain it. I'm tired of being the only one