[Vo]:The 'magic' of pycno

2011-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
Dense clusters of hydrogen or deuterium are suspected to be the predecessor state leading to one form (or all forms) of LENR. The term 'pycno' was coined by Arata for this state, and he was the probably the first to demonstrate that energy gain is possible for this state alone - WITHOUT additional

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/25/2011 09:19 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: The worst example was the Correa claim that a stationary gold leaf electroscope does work. No, it doesn't! It isn't a little guy standing with his arms out. He claimed to have electrical evidence that a

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: I need to point out that a solenoid with movable core which is holding a lever in position -- say, for instance, holding the little man's arms in position (the little man is a robot in that case) is also *NOT* doing work despite the fact that it's

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-26 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: This is not a fringe group. [...] To put it bluntly, who the hell are you to call these people fringe? The fact that you call distinguished scientists a fringe group does not make them a fringe group. Obviously,

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-26 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude wrote: If the effect were real, it would not stall at the marginal level. Many cold fusion results are marginal, but others are not. Even in 1989 there were many dramatic heat events and some tritium

Re: [Vo]:friendly exchange of ideas

2011-02-26 Thread Peter Gluck
Saturday- What's New was published and Dr Park has not mentioned the Bologna test. Interesting. Or more than interesting? On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Not so curious about

RE: [Vo]:friendly exchange of ideas

2011-02-26 Thread Mark Iverson
Not interesting yet... I'll bet he's watching it very closely, though, and will likely mention something when he's had more time to ask the same questions as we have here of course, even though he might ask himself the same questions, doesn't mean his rational mind will overcome his

[Vo]:Interesting article: exchange of single quanum between two ions... its all about resonance.

2011-02-26 Thread Mark Iverson
Very interesting article (some specific text below). It seems to be indicating: 1) atoms as a whole vibrate, but that is only because they are out of balance internally 2) whatever an 'atom' is, INTERNALLY it has very regular/periodic oscillations going on 3) when a quantum or quanta of heat

Re: [Vo]:friendly exchange of ideas

2011-02-26 Thread Peter Gluck
I have tried to give him complete information and I am sure he has aome sources we have not acces to. Good information = smart questions. The question re weat steam was not so but became an unkillable meme till the water cooling test. Negative (de facto zero) informaton is sometimes very valuable

Re: [Vo]:Keep an eye on Antony's question to Dr. Mills

2011-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:57:12 -0600: Hi, [snip] He has no fear of bearding the lion in it's den. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:The 'magic' of pycno

2011-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:08:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] If pycno is formed preferentially by the same geometric tendencies, we would expect to see it with 2, 8, 20, 28, 50, 82, 126 protons. This is an interesting idea, but take into account that the magic numbers result

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, me calling them fringe does not make it so. But if people who work on fringe science represent a fringe group, then it is not really a matter of opinion. As long as we are expressing our opinions, IMO, those

Re: [Vo]:friendly exchange of ideas

2011-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: It is increasingly possible that the absence of reaction (or of agression) from Bob is such a (good) sign. Peter, you are an optimist, a good trait in my opinion. But RP's lack of comment could be that he considers the

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, me calling them fringe does not make it so. But if people who work on fringe science represent a fringe group, then it is not really a

RE: [Vo]:The 'magic' of pycno

2011-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
Robin - When the proton (or hydrino) appears as a bound species - along with inherent negative charge, as happens with either pycno (or possibly with an expanded Mills' version) and which is nearly charge neutral from the inception, the need for neutrons to shield positive charge, is eliminated.

Re: [Vo]:The 'magic' of pycno

2011-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:14:22 -0800: Hi Jones, [snip] Robin - When the proton (or hydrino) appears as a bound species - along with inherent negative charge, as happens with either pycno (or possibly with an expanded Mills' version) and which is nearly charge

Re: [Vo]:values decreasing...

2011-02-26 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Joshua Cude wrote: ,in the data by orders of magnitude (10^10 if I remember), from the fact that the highest values came from BARC within weeks of the press conference (for what is supposed to be a

RE: [Vo]:friendly exchange of ideas

2011-02-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: ... I think that he is actually considering that it could be real. I think he's still waiting for just one ill wildebeest to limp by. Growl... After all, with a universe that begins with only hydrogen, alchemy must be real! Ya know, I never thought of it in those terms! Thanks

Re: [Vo]:values decreasing...

2011-02-26 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Joshua Cude wrote: ,in the data by orders of magnitude (10^10 if I remember), from the fact that the highest values came from BARC within weeks of

Re: [Vo]:values decreasing...

2011-02-26 Thread Horace Heffner
BTW, please excuse if my comments (appended below) duplicated others. I haven't had the time to read the huge volume of stuff on the list of late. However, the volume of junk on the list is symptomatic of the problem the list was formed to avoid - the interminable and unproductive

re:[Vo]:propellantless propulsion

2011-02-26 Thread froarty
I made an embarrassing statement below [snip]Propulsion however requires keeping h2 from disassociating while driving the gas through suppressed geometry in one direction while returning it in the opposite direction without suppression.[/snip] Which was brought to my attention. It is the same

[Vo]:Off Topic: - Madison Demonstrations: Peter Yarrow of Peter Paul Mary, and Josh Lyman of and West Wing

2011-02-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Man! It was a cold, snowy Saturday. But that didn't stop tens and thousands of demonstrators from showing up at the capital. Biggest crowd yet. A Public Service Announcement Special Madison Wisconsin You Tube clips of the demonstrations: Videos of Peter Yarrow singing, of Peter Paul and Mary