[Vo]:I wonder...SWOT

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Gluck
I wonder why we are worried for a strong opposition to Ni-H LENR as a form of cold fusion...not the scientists will decide The initial problem of cold fusion is one well known to the players of 'contract bridge' game- bidding too high, promise of cheap, inexhaustible rich source of energy. But

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mark: ... ... and one can start by simply scanning all the comment sections of websites where a CF story ran, and summarize each skeptic's question or statement, and counter it with the facts.  Keep it short and sweet, with links to references... the list of Rossi's

[Vo]:Mother Jones: The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science

2011-04-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Pretty decent article: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney Excerpt: In other words, when we think we're reasoning, we may instead be rationalizing. Or to use an analogy offered by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt: We may think we're being

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Now that's a good idea... and one can start by simply scanning all the comment sections of websites where a CF story ran, and summarize each skeptic's question or statement, and counter it with the facts. I have looked at previous compilations of

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: cold fusion is not a free lunch. I is a lunch you are paid to eat. Not me! *It* is a lunch you are paid to eat. this is how experts describe compact fluorescent light bulbs in Scientific American. their point was that not only to the balls consume less electricity but they're much

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-04-26 16:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. Not only the powder, it's the whole reactor vessel that has to be replaced periodically. In my opinion this is probably also a safety measure

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Not only the powder, it's the whole reactor vessel that has to be replaced periodically. In my opinion this is probably also a safety measure in order to avoid long-term problems due to prolonged exposure to heat, relatively high internal

Re: [Vo]:Space has no time dimention

2011-04-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:50 PM 4/25/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: FYI: Here's an article for all you theorists... Scientists suggest spacetime has no time dimension http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-scientists-spacetime-dimension.html -Mark No problem ... progressing from one state to another is pretty much

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Ron Wormus
So you don't believe the Ni is transmuted to Cu? Ron --On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:20 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. - Jed

[Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-26 Thread Jones Beene
According to this story, wind energy in England, is not living up to expectations. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-gr eatest-scam-age.html attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:21 of april 2011 test

2011-04-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:31 AM 4/25/2011, Mattia Rizzi wrote: With 'this week' i mean between 18 april and 21 april. Carlos Perez April 25th, 2011 at 3:45 PM Dear Ing. Rossi: I would like to know if Dr. Hanno Essen and/or Dr. Sven Kullander have carried out further tests to your E-Cat device after the

Re: [Vo]:21 of april 2011 test

2011-04-26 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Rossi don't discose all the truth. This is my e-mail to Mats Lewan (NyTeknik) and his response: Dear Mattia, I'm gathering info on this and will report within a week. Mats Från: Mattia Rizzi [mailto:mattia.ri...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 24 april 2011 12:35 Till: Lewan Mats Ämne: Abot

Re: [Vo]:Why the US will become a banana republic if we do not import or allow cold fusion

2011-04-26 Thread Axil Axil
*“I do not think the Pentagon and its many friends are going to stand by and do nothing while other countries develop military technology that can destroy our entire fleet of airplanes and ships in one afternoon at no risk to the enemy.”* * * * * *You have neglected a potential very important

[Vo]:A Simple Assessment of Rossi Credibility

2011-04-26 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
We are missing the obvious: Rossi et al have enough investors to scale-up to marketable magnitudes of power, if what they say is true. At the end of the day, the market doesn't really care where you got the electricity that you are selling. People understand electricity. At least in the US,

Re: [Vo]:Why the US will become a banana republic if we do not import or allow cold fusion

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *You have neglected a potential very important roadblock to cold fusion development, the US military, air tight regulatory control, security classification, and the proprietary use of cold fusion technology by the military industrial complex.* I do not

Re: [Vo]:A Simple Assessment of Rossi Credibility

2011-04-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:58 AM 4/26/2011, Wm. Scott Smith wrote: Personally, I was more impressed with the smaller units that lacked the lead; prior to that, I wondered if it was simply an isotope reactor. They were just nekkid eCats ... they would be enclosed in lead underwear before being used.

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
There are some errors in this article: The most glaring dishonesty peddled by the wind industry — and echoed by gullible politicians — is vastly to exaggerate the output of turbines by deliberately talking about them only in terms of their 'capacity', as if this was what they actually produce.

Re: [Vo]:21 of april 2011 test

2011-04-26 Thread Andrea Selva
I don't know why but I keep feeling (Red) fish smell 2011/4/26 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com Rossi don't discose all the truth. This is my e-mail to Mats Lewan (NyTeknik) and his response: Dear Mattia, I’m gathering info on this and will report within a week. Mats

[Vo]:I had thought E-Cat might be clandestine Fission

2011-04-26 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
I was impressed by no lead, because we then knew there was no surreptitious fission going on; for example, radioactive isotopes, such as strontium. Isotope Reactors do not rely on chain reactions, like newly-spent nuclear fuel rods, it is the relatively short-lived isotopes that can produce

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Axil Axil
*“How confident are you about the tungsten vs nichrome question for element material? is SiC another reasonable possibility? Or is it too dangerous to have any C around?”* * * I have no confidence at all. The construction of the internal heater/cathode is the most intricate and problematic part

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: According to this story, wind energy in England, is not living up to expectations. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-gr eatest-scam-age.html Of course storage technology could

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
As to the question in the subject header, we don't know, without knowing the secrets he's keeping, whether his real reasons are legitimate or not. As I wrote from the beginning on this, there is no limit to human ingenuity, so fraud cannot be ruled out except by the normal process: truly

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Axil Axil
Control of the Rossi reaction is a complicated thing. The energy density pumping mechanism you site may be only one mechanism of many that play into the complicated interplay of many factors in which the Cat-E might be controlled. Rossi’s revelation that the “secret catalyst” makes the Rossi

[Vo]:Most objections to cold fusion will not survive commercialization

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Gene Mallove and I used to say that if we only had a demonstration kit we could persuade the world that cold fusion is real. I think Rossi has shown we were wrong. Even a good demonstration does not persuade the world, at least not overnight. But there is no denying that commercial cells will

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: As I wrote from the beginning on this, there is no limit to human ingenuity, so fraud cannot be ruled out except by the normal process: truly independent examination and probably replication. There is another way to rule out fraud. You can

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Axil Axil
The engineering game is a difficult place to set up a successful fraud; having said that, con-men are most often the smartest men in the room. They enter banking, the board room, the stock market, hedge funds, the money management industry, The SEC regulators, or even the Federal Reserve. As

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The engineering game is a difficult place to set up a successful fraud; having said that, con-men are most often the smartest men in the room. McKubre is brilliant and he has 22 years of experience working with flow calorimetry, but he could not devise a

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The engineering game is a difficult place to set up a successful fraud; having said that, con-men are most often the smartest men in the room. Enron http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016268/ The Smartest Guys in the Room was

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Levi, Essen et al. are convinced the machine is real because they understand that there are only a few limited ways to fake a reaction of this nature, and they are certain they have checked all such ways. I wasn't there, so that leaves me all-but-certain. I can't imagine a

RE: [Vo]:Most objections to cold fusion will not survive commercialization

2011-04-26 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Nice. Natural gas: We couldn't possibly allow natural gas to be piped into urban areas -- it would be way too dangerous -- people could blow up their neighborhood if there were a leak, or kill themselves by asphixiation or carbon monoxide poisoning.. Electricity: We couldn't possibly allow

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are some Edo-period hanging marketplace weight scales: http://www4.airnet.ne.jp/sakura/hakari/hakari_fr07.html They are ingenious and perhaps more complicated than you might think. I have seen people use them in recent times. Naturally there were ways to hide weights in these things to

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:20:36 -0400: Hi, [snip] Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. If 50 cc is filled with Ni powder, and the density is half that of the solid metal, then there is enough

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-26 Thread Axil Axil
There is something that is inherently risky about staking your energy and economic future on the whether. Farmers have known this since the dawn of civilization. Wind and solar energy production may be dramatically affected by climate change. When the north and south Polar Regions heat up and

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread francis
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:14 Axil wrote Control of the Rossi reaction is a complicated thing. The energy density pumping mechanism you site may be only one mechanism of many that play into the complicated interplay of many factors in which the Cat-E might be controlled. Reply --Agreed and it

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:46 PM 4/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: There is another way to rule out fraud. You can allow experts examine the machine closely and look for the physical equipment needed to commit fraud, such as hidden wires and pipes. Rossi has done this. There is only a vanishingly small chance that a

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:31 PM 4/26/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: McKubre is brilliant and he has 22 years of experience working with flow calorimetry, but he could not devise a method of faking a result with a flow calorimeter that I would not spot in the first five minutes. I mean that. I know you mean it, but I

Re: [Vo]:If Rossi could speak freely, what would he say.

2011-04-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:29 PM 4/26/2011, you wrote: If it turns out Levi is really, really stupid then I can imagine some ways Rossi could commit a fraud. For example, if Levi shows up and Rossi gives him the power meter, thermocouples and other equipment and insists he use that equipment only, not his own, it