Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Andrea Selva
F.lii Rossi business is really about tyres http://www.fllirossi-tyre.com/ Probably they share a portion of the same industrial building complex with our Rossi 2011/6/17 Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com - Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To:

Re: [Vo]:New Italian video on CF.

2011-06-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-17 04:45, Harry Veeder wrote: New video in italian with some historical excerpts in english. As far as I can understand from comments in the blog where the video originally appeared, a version subtitled in english will be posted at a later time. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers. Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi: * * * http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=12#comment-46645 Dear Mr Rossi, Can you respond to

RE: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread todd
If the Rossi units heat water to the boiling point, it can be used to heat homes...we can collectively nail down specifics on output by the time these units are made available for 'field testing' inside homes and offices. Our network in D.C. will pin down either the Greek or Italian embassy to

Re: [Vo]:Fusion as process or result

2011-06-17 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Idea with this fusion is that in fusion two light nucleous merge. But there is no good evidence that this reaction is plausible in low energy (without muons). However LENR does not exactly specify what does happen, but has more experimental approach. But in my opinnion Steven is perhaps wrong

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home? T

RE: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Iverson
That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What is more likely is that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier. Steve mentioned in his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding some elements of what he was saying.

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What is more likely is that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier.  Steve mentioned in his report that he

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: Krivit extorted Levi?!? I doubt that. Nevertheless, it would seem obvious that both Levi and Rossi are pissed off as a result of their contact with Krivit. At present we don't know why. We don't know the specifics. Perhaps Krivit will eventually clarify his POV on this matter at

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote: That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What is more likely is that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier. Steve mentioned in his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:45 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers. Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi: Look, it's obvious: Rossi is either crazy, or crazy like a fox.

Re: [Vo]:Fusion as process or result

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:44 AM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Idea with this fusion is that in fusion two light nucleous merge. But there is no good evidence that this reaction is plausible in low energy (without muons). That's a common opinion, but it's not true. See Storms, Status of cold fusion (2010),

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Abd wrote: I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and clear. However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity of a journalist. It makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one. I suspect Rossi and Levi also feel their integrity has been

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Regarding that, this an open letter (in English) from Giuseppe Levi to Steven Krivit that just got posted on 22passi (I feel it might be subject to slight grammer/wording changes, so I'm not copy/pasting it here). It appears that he is not pleased

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Harry wrote: Abd wrote: I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and clear. However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity of a journalist. It makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one. I suspect Rossi and Levi also

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Jouni Valkonen
About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be child's play to calculate probable error margins. —Jouni

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Bastiaan Bergman
How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye. And no reports on input power? Is it measured at the plug, before whatever electronics he uses? Or at the input in the reactor? If the latest and if that is

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-17 02:20 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Krivit has raised valid questions, no doubt about it. I'm not claiming there are no answers, but to attack him merely for asking? That's beyond the pale. Maybe. It's also typical of charlatans. The saga of Rossi and the Reactors has

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Angela Kemmler
The question was: are these 800 W the heating power for on or more Ecat? Passerini says that the current of 3.5 A (= 800 W) is related to one Ecat: Se scrivo l'E-Cat in funzione e non gli E-Cat in funzione ci sarà un motivo no!? (If I am writing E-Cat functioning and not E-Cats functioning,

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-17 01:36 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his line of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on Vortex - My recollection was that we decided the steam measurement was an unreliable

Re: [Vo]:Hot air rises, even in constant volume

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-16 08:57 AM, David Jonsson wrote: Good to hear. I have been thinking since March last year. First step is to determine if Coreolis or centrifugal acceleration is the case. OK, I think I've got it. I'm assuming your reasoning is purely Newtonian -- you are using a pure

[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies s.a. press conference, June 23, 2011

2011-06-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a News Item here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm Defkalion Green Technologies, the company that will market the Rossi cold fusion reactor, has announced a press conference. It will be held on June 23, 2011 at 14:30 in Athens, Greece: Municipality of Palaio Faliro, Terpsihoris 51

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Mark Iverson
Fran, You summed it up quite well... I think the overall concensus of those vorts who have discussed the e-Cat tests agree that the dryness of the steam is a MAJOR source of concern and there are INADEQUATE explanations from the Rossi camp as to that issue. Steve was pushing hard to make sure

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Rich Murray
1) Does Levi, et.al., understand the importance of the dry steam issue? They may be afraid to think about this show-stopping issue. 2) If the answer to #1 is YES, then do you feel that adequate care was taken in the tests we've seen to establish that the steam was truly dry? Maybe they're

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A week of news is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html More Google-translated info from 22passi: http://goo.gl/FvMnO Cheers, S.A.

[Vo]:Krivit's report and the unfortunate situation in Bologna

2011-06-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
As everyone here knows, Steve Krivit wrote a report about a visit to Rossi's factory in Bologna: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/ On one hand, I thought this report was pretty good, but on the other hand I can well

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:43 PM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be child's play to calculate

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:04 PM 6/17/2011, you wrote: How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye. I'd say that this is quite a naive understanding. First of all, what was the *peak* heating for that 12 kW result? The Ny

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:41 PM 6/17/2011, Rich Murray wrote: 3) Has this recent exchange caused by Krivit's visit changed your opinion at all? Good or bad... It's made me more sure that there is no excess heat. Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. So to speak. Excess heat in nickel-hydrogen is not

Re: [Vo]:Krivit's report and the unfortunate situation in Bologna

2011-06-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: If that's not appealing to an authority then I don't know the meaning of simple English sentences. You do know the meaning of simple English sentences, but this meaning does not apply to formal logic. Words and expressions in daily language often

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated in the hose. Lewan and I discussed that. As I recall he did not weigh it, and he did not take the temperature. That would be a sparge test. Then end of the hose was too far

Re: [Vo]:Krivit's report and the unfortunate situation in Bologna

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-17 09:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote: If that's not appealing to an authority then I don't know the meaning of simple English sentences. You do know the meaning of simple English sentences, but this meaning does

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. For which you can be thrown off an airplane. Rossi, if nothing else and even if he turns out to be as phony as a three-dollar bill, may have gotten us off our collective duffs. I think that the

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

2011-06-17 Thread Rich Murray
Say, you two, what do you mean by, Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. ? I asking, because I don't get it... I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the Rossi devices, and I mean it when I said I regret that. I prefer to state that I'm sure, rather than hedge my bets. I imagine