[Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Gluck
This morning the Defkalion website became functional. Registration necessary.. Info re Products and RD. In construction, still. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Abd wrote: Basically, the device does some math for you, based on certain assumptions. Unfortunately, the assumptions are the very issue here! I don't' think that's correct... Not assumptions. The instrument does

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Joshua, and I think Abd, believe ...steam inside the conduit is always at 100% RH. Regardless of what fraction of the water is converted to steam. At 100C, the vapor pressure is 1 atm, and the steam pressure (also the partial pressure of the water vapor) is also 1 atm. Ergo, 100% RH. I

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: It is not in any way proof that the E-Cat is *not* producing excess power. That's true, but I've only been arguing that Rossi has not provided the public with evidence of excess heat. I don't have proof that the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Joshua, and I think Abd, believe ...steam inside the conduit is always at 100% RH. Regardless of what fraction of the water is converted to steam. At 100C, the vapor pressure is 1 atm, and the steam pressure (also the

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Finlay MacNab
From this document http://www.macinstruments.com/pdf/handbook.pdf, from a website trying to sell absolute humidity gauges, it would appear that a relative humidity sensor can give accurate reading up to the boiling point of water and that the measurement of humidity decreases in dry steam as

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Do you expect water droplets above 100C? This is like expecting microscopic ice to not immediately melt above 0C. You don't expect water droplets above the boiling point. The temperature of the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 12:12 PM 6/22/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: Yes, that is true. But the steam is way too low for 2.5KW. If someone can provide me a mathematical example refuting that, I will be happy. *What steam?* Understand

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** Oh well, I'll run the errand tomorrow... As a start, go read about the gas laws and partial pressure and how humidity is calculated from partial pressure... In order to understand how Galantini can ESTIMATE the

RE: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Registered for the forum. Now, let's hope for useful information straight from Defkalion's mouths. All posts await moderation, though; I'd imagine skeptical questions that they don't like may get cast into an atomic dustbin. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:03:02 +0300 From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To:

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
Finlay, Appreciate your contributions... Thanks for the link to the humidity handbook... good clear explanations. Given my reading so far, I would agree with your statement that... If the temperature of the vapor is above 100C and the pressure is 1 atm, then an examination of the phase diagram

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Gluck
I consider that apart of questioning, perhaps we could help them,. They are at the interface with the customers and their success depends on the performances and reliability of the E-cats- now Hyperions. It is not easy to transform/.apply a brand new energy source - for example in a home heater as

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
Joshua wrote: The ratio of the partial pressure of the water vapor to the vapor pressure of water is the relative humidity. The physics definition for RH is: %RH = (Pw/Ps)*100 Where Pw is the partial pressure of the water vapor and Ps is the saturation pressure of water vapor... What's

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** You might think that all this time on the steam quality is quibbling over minor details, but one of the senior contributors to the Vort collective calculated that if only 5% (by mass) of the water going in was not

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** Joshua wrote: The ratio of the partial pressure of the water vapor to the vapor pressure of water is the relative humidity. The physics definition for RH is: %RH = (Pw/Ps)*100 Where Pw is the partial pressure

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.comwrote: The delta ohm probe in question is rated to 150C with an accuracy of +/- 3.5% above 95% RH from this spec sheet http://www.deltaohm.com/ver2010/uk/st_airQ.php?str=HD37AB1347. I think you're reading that spec

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Do you expect water droplets above 100C? This is like expecting microscopic ice to not immediately melt above 0C. You

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
Josh wrote: It sounds like you're just making shit up. The instrument doesn't have a way to measure absolute humidity directly. It measures capacitance, which varies with relative humidity.. Yes, agreed that at the most fundamental level it is making an electrical measurement, that being

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-23 08:03, Peter Gluck wrote: This morning the Defkalion website became functional. Registration necessary.. Info re Products and RD. In construction, still. Defkalion Green Technologies white paper: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White%20Paper_DGT.pdf Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Giuseppe Levi Interview (June 23rd)

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Great interview! I only wish that they'd confirmed the actual existence of the 2nd test with Levi, while he was there. But, alas, the answer is: wait and see. Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, This is a Google-translated interview to Giuseppe Levi by the official

RE: [Vo]:Brian Josephson on Rossi

2011-06-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
It is a shame the sound quality isn't better. It was nevertheless adequate. I'm glad this clip was posted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Brian Josephson on Rossi

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Terry, What 'endorsements' has Brian Josephson missed-out on, specifically? I did not say miss-out on. Please refrain from altering my meaning. I said they had not improved his credibility. The main one is homeopathy,

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
I love it : All products are plug-and-play. T

Re: [Vo]:Brian Josephson on Rossi

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
When I speak of credibility, I am referring to BJ's credibility with his peers. Personally, I have had positive results from homeopathic medicines. T

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Andrea Selva
plug-and-play ? They do have to meet Microsoft certification :) 2011/6/23 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com I love it : All products are plug-and-play. T

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-23 04:23 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net mailto:zeropo...@charter.net wrote: You might think that all this time on the steam quality is quibbling over minor details, but one of the senior contributors to the

[Vo]:Anything From The DEFKA​LION Press Conference?

2011-06-23 Thread Rock_nj
Wasn't the DEFKA​LION press conference today? Did they say anything new?

RE: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa Defkalion Green Technologies white paper: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White%20Paper_DGT.pdf I was hoping for actual photographs of their prototypes. None there, but they do mention getting away from water/steam and going to a heat transfer

Re: [Vo]:Anything From The DEFKA​LION Press Conference?

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rock_nj wrote: Wasn't the DEFKA​LION press conference today? Did they say anything new? The press conference is just ending now. They will upload a YouTube video of it. I know several people attending. If they send me a description I will copy it here. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Anything From The DEFKA​LION Press Conference?

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Leguillon
Let us know if any mainstream media showed up. No, really... it could happen... Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rock_nj wrote: Wasn't the DEFKA​LION press conference today? Did they say anything new? The press conference is just ending now. They will upload a YouTube video of it.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** Yes, agreed that at the most fundamental level it is making an electrical measurement, that being capacitance. However, since relative humidity is a moving target depending on the temperature, RH is usually

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Jed, I've asked this before. What second test proved what you show? Are you referring to the Levi test that increased the flow rate? How would this show that Galantini was correct? Yes, I meant the test with flowing water. This showed that the steam in the first

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: None there, but they do mention getting away from water/steam and going to a heat transfer fluid and a large thermal store. I mentioned Thermisol on their forum and got this response from someone tagged as farshooter:

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned Thermisol ThermiNol. Fat fingers.

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Finlay MacNab
There are several different part numbers listed in the sensor chart in the pdf. A number of them are rated to 150C. also. It would appear that the measurement would benefit from a measurement of pressure inside the reactor in order to confirm the steam is super heated. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011

[Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference

2011-06-23 Thread Terry Blanton
From the Defkalion forum: Hi all Defkalion's Press Conference just finished (around 16.30 Athens time) In Palaio Faliro Municipality Congress Center, around 150 people attended. Among them: The Minister of Industry and Energy Mr Xinidis. Prepresentatives of political parties. Among them, The

Re: [Vo]:Anything From The DEFKA​LION Press Conference?

2011-06-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-23 15:47, Rock_nj wrote: Wasn't the DEFKA​LION press conference today? Did they say anything new? User jhadj from Defkalion Green Technologies official forums reports this: * * * http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=24 Hi all Defkalion's Press Conference

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being generated than the input electrical power, but I'd not want to claim that this demo shows that, it's way too shaky. No, it

RE: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, There is an improved version from another company: http://www.solutia.com/en/SolarEnergy.aspx quote: Therminol(r), the world leader in high-temperature synthetic heat transfer fluids, can be used in numerous applications including renewable energy technologies such as solar and

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.comwrote: There are several different part numbers listed in the sensor chart in the pdf. A number of them are rated to 150C. Again, I think you're reading that wrong. There is a table that gives the application range for

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: The event was filmed and it will be uploaded with English subtitles in YouTube after technical preparation (as I heard by Monday or Thusday) I guess this is obvious, but the press conference was in Greek. Someone there told me there was simultaneous interpretation

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jones: ... It also means that they have probably given up (at least at this early stage of development) on the possibility of efficient conversion of the heat to electricity. That would be expected at the initial stages - since the engineering required to convert heat efficiently is

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being generated than the input electrical power, but

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Finlay MacNab
I disagree with your assumption about he common characteristic table. The chart for the high temperature sensors lists a different accuracy for the %RH than is listed in the common characteristics table. There is another explanation for the stable output temperature besides wet steam that

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess it means sets of 20'' containers.

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:23, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: If they can get the catalizers to act as efficient building heaters, the obvious next goal would be to begin intense RD on electrical conversion. For the conversion to electricity, it should be first determined which method to

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
How about this: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-source-green-electricity.html ?

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Daniel said: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess it means sets of 20'' containers. That's not how I would interpret the meaning. I perceive no plural interpretation within the sentence structure. But who knows. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

RE: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
They are distancing themselves from LENR... Note last sentence. Many have labeled Cold Fusion with positive and negative connotations. It has also been referred to as LENR and CANR. Most of these terms hold behind them thousands of hours of research work, all hoping to achieve the ultimate

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:42, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess this is again a European typo, I read somewhere else 20 feet (which is, as you may know one of the predefined lengths for cargo containers on ships/trucks/trains)

[Vo]:[Video] Low Energy Nuclear Revolution (English version)

2011-06-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, About a week ago a link to the Italian version of a very well done 40-minutes documentary about Rossi's Energy Catalyzer was posted to this group. It appears that an version subtitled in English has been uploaded today by the authors to their Vimeo channel. Here's the link:

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Bridges: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess this is again a European typo, I read somewhere else 20 feet (which is, as you may know one of the predefined lengths for cargo containers on ships/trucks/trains) They'd better say the size in

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
One of the listed attendees: The Green Party of Germany I think the press conference was more about stalling debtors from issuing Notices of Default to the Greek govt... The govt is hoping this buys them a little more time and leverage. And perhaps to ease the civil unrest. It'll be quite

Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site

2011-06-23 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:52, Daniel Rocha wrote: How about this: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-source-green-electricity.html * *Ok, looks interesting, but two comments: 1. Quote: This revolutionary energy conversion method is in the early stages of development When do they think they

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Joshua wrote: The ratio of the partial pressure of the water vapor to the vapor pressure of water is the relative humidity.   The physics definition for RH is:    %RH = (Pw/Ps)*100 Where Pw is the

[Vo]:Video of interest

2011-06-23 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQ Promo film about LENR and the Andrea Rossi's device. First part of a big work in progress. Produced by: Phizero (http://phizero.it) Directed by: Manuel Zani Scientific Committee by: Ing. Giacomo Guidi D.o.P: Luca Nervegna Web: http://phizero.it

[Vo]:unsubscribe..

2011-06-23 Thread azube1
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea... On 11-06-23 04:23 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:  

[Vo]:Defkalion reactor sizes

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Man on Bridges wrote: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess this is again a European typo, I read somewhere else 20 feet (which is, as you may know one of the predefined lengths for cargo containers on ships/trucks/trains) They'd better say the size in

Re: [Vo]:Video of interest

2011-06-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-23 19:39, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQ Promo film about LENR and the Andrea Rossi's device. First part of a big work in progress. This is the same video of which I posted a link 30 minutes before this message (Low Energy Nuclear Revolution). The

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: No, it isn't shaky. The water would be 60°C or less in most of these tests if there was no anomalous heat. Sticking to the Krivit demo, no, increasing the water to 100C requires only 600W. The electrical input was 750W. So you will stick to the Krivit demo and

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
To clear up the working range of the RH sensor, I found the answer from page 110 of this extensive users manual: http://www.deltaohm.com/ver2008/uk/manuali/DO9847_M_17-06-2009_3.1_uk.pdf In looking into the working temperature range for the capacitive RH sensors, there are two different sets

Re: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference

2011-06-23 Thread Angela Kemmler
One of the listed attendees: The Green Party of Germany The Green Party of my country? (Die Grünen). I am a mmeber of that party since 20 years. It's almost impossible to imagine a German green party exponent to support a fusion tecnology with gamma radiation and transmutation of nickel

RE: [Vo]:Video of interest

2011-06-23 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, sorry to have missed that post, and vimeo http://vimeo.com/25501969 is indeed better video quality. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa On 2011-06-23 19:39, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQ Promo film about LENR and the Andrea Rossi's device.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:08 PM 6/22/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Joshua Cude mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.comjoshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So, what specifically do you think that g/kg means in the context of a 2-phase mixture of steam and water? What do you use for the denominator to calculate the total mass of the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.comwrote: I disagree with your assumption about he common characteristic table. The chart for the high temperature sensors lists a different accuracy for the %RH than is listed in the common characteristics table. OK, you

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:38 PM 6/22/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: Do you expect water droplets above 100C? This is like expecting microscopic ice to not immediately melt above 0C. Wrong question. Do we expect water droplets above the boiling point of water? No, not except transiently. Is Mr. Rocha assuming that the

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
I went digging... its an important bit of data. Yep, its the liquid portion by *volume*, thanks Josh and Stephen for catching that... I'll copy Horace's table below... For anyone who would like to review Horace's analysis and calculations, the posting was on 1/21/2011 and has a subject line

Re: [Vo]:Water Flow Question

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:43 PM 6/22/2011, Craig Haynie wrote: How does Rossi control the water flow rate? If too much water flows, then it would not all convert to steam and it would pour out of the outlet. If it's too slow then the reactor would overheat. Does he control the water flow by its effect on reactor

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:34 PM 6/22/2011, Finlay MacNab wrote: If the relative humidity sensor measures capacitance then the dielectric constant of steam and the dielectric constant of steam plus water would be very different and yield very different readings. A quick google search for capacitance measurement

Re: [Vo]:Water Flow Question

2011-06-23 Thread Angela Kemmler
He uses a metering pump by manufacturer LMI (UK). Its model P18. Lewan told it. http://www.lmi-pumps.com/datasheets/Pseries-08-01.pdf max 3.20 GPH (12.1 l/h) 22 psi (1.5 Bar) max stroke frequency = 100 / minute max stroke volume = 2 ml manual of the pump

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:14 AM 6/23/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Abd wrote: One page 6, the list of humidity probes begins. The robust probe, part number 0628 0021, is rated to 180 C. The measurement range extends from 0 to 100% RH. However, the accuracy is not rated above 98%. Basically, the accuracy is 2%, from

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:54 PM 6/22/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Abd wrote: Basically, the device does some math for you, based on certain assumptions. Unfortunately, the assumptions are the very issue here! I don't' think that's correct... Not assumptions. The instrument does calculations based on scientific laws

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ** Joshua Cude wrote: No, it isn't shaky. The water would be 60°C or less in most of these tests if there was no anomalous heat. Sticking to the Krivit demo, no, increasing the water to 100C requires only 600W.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:32 AM 6/23/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: It is not in any way proof that the E-Cat is *not* producing excess power. That's true, but I've only been arguing that Rossi has not

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: such as your held conclusion, my guess, that this thing *must* be bogus, since LENR is impossible. Right? Wrong. It's highly unlikely, in my opinion, and so until good evidence is presented, I will remain

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:45 AM 6/23/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: You are indeed wrong. Time for a refresher. Look up vapor pressure in wikipedia for a start. Water evaporates into pure gas (not droplets) below its boiling point. Humidity measures the amount of water vapor (gas, not droplets) in the air. When the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: Whereas Rossi measured the flow by weighing the reservoir before and after. That method is infallible. It overrules the people at esowatch who are speculating about the pump and waving their hands. Why should I believe Rossi? If I did, there would be no need for

[Vo]:Rossi calorimetry, volume vs mass, etc.

2011-06-23 Thread Horace Heffner
It has been brought to my attention that my posts from January-April have been discussed. I can sum up my position by simply saying that RH probes do not measure steam quality. The following links provide more detail. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg41849.html

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:04 AM 6/23/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Jed, I've asked this before. What second test proved what you show? Are you referring to the Levi test that increased the flow rate? How would this show that Galantini was correct? Yes, I meant the test with flowing

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Angela Kemmler
The electrical input was 750W No, it was between 784 and 805 W (230x3.4 or 230x3.5). The tension is 230 V in Italy. This is called in Italy eurotensione, google it. I already posted the link to the italian wikipedia article abt mains tension in Italy. Must I repeat it? It was 220 V there until

Re: [Vo]:Water Flow Question

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-23 03:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:43 PM 6/22/2011, Craig Haynie wrote: How does Rossi control the water flow rate? If too much water flows, then it would not all convert to steam and it would pour out of the outlet. If it's too slow then the reactor would overheat. Does

Re: [Vo]:Rossi calorimetry, volume vs mass, etc.

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: I believe the HP474AC probe actually measures the capacitance of the air, and converts that to relative humidity. Not quite. It measures capacitance with a polymer dielectric which absorbs water from the air in some

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: In Krivit's visit, Rossi said he had weighed the water and he would do it again after the test. But he quoted the flow rate in the middle of the test, before he weighed it at the end. Anyone can measure the flow rate, at any time. You do not have to wait until

Re: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Press Conference

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:42 PM 6/23/2011, Angela Kemmler wrote: One of the listed attendees: The Green Party of Germany The Green Party of my country? (Die Grünen). I am a mmeber of that party since 20 years. It's almost impossible to imagine a German green party exponent to support a fusion tecnology

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:56 AM 6/23/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being generated than the input electrical power, but I'd not want to claim that this

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:58 PM 6/23/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: But still, you've identified a way the steam could be dry and still pinned to the boiling point. Unfortunately, evidence that it *is* dry is still absent. And in the Krivit video, the feeble puff of steam at the output is pretty good evidence that most

Re: [Vo]:Rossi calorimetry, volume vs mass, etc.

2011-06-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
2011/6/23 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: Liquid     Liquid    Gas Portion    Portion   Portion by Volume  by Mass   by Mass -  ---   --- 0.000      0.     100.00 0.001      0.6252     0.3747 I will just concentrate in the second entry. Are you suggesting

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Joshua sed: ... A large number of inconclusive results make them less believable to me, not more. There are hundreds of thousands of ufo sightings, and that totality of results does not make them more believable. Goodness gracious me! You actually said that? A UFO stands for Unidentified

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 11:56 AM 6/23/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Iverson
Out of that 9m of hose, at least half is lying flat on the floor. That results in: 1) condensation forming a layer of liquid water that runs the entire length of that segment of hose, 2) the vapor must travel over that lquid water for that entire length 3) the floor itself could be sinking a

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua sed: ... A large number of inconclusive results make them less believable to me, not more. There are hundreds of thousands of ufo sightings, and that totality of results does not make

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 02:58 PM 6/23/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: But still, you've identified a way the steam could be dry and still pinned to the boiling point. Unfortunately, evidence that it *is* dry is still absent. And in the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: OK. It was sloppy. Multiple claimed sightings of extra terrestrials with inconclusive evidence does not make said visits more believable. Likewise more fuzzy photos of the loch ness monster does not make its existence more believable. The data published by people such as

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ** Other such as Piantelli have seen heat from Ni systems. Even you didn't believe his results a couple of years ago. I didn't *not* believe either. I wasn't sure. You seemed pretty sure when you said: As far

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Out of that 9m of hose, at least half is lying flat on the floor. That results in: 3 m, 9 ft. 1) condensation forming a layer of liquid water that runs the entire length of that segment of hose, Water does not

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: I didn't _not_ believe either. I wasn't sure. You seemed pretty sure when you said: As far as I can tell, they disproved the Focardi claims. and many similar things. You say I was pretty sure when I said as far as I can tell? How many reservations, qualifications,

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ** I have uploaded hundreds of papers proving that I am right. And yet, few believe. Any steam proves that Rossi is right. No. It doesn't. See earlier post. Heck, his reactor has run with no input! So he

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Man on Bridges
Dear Angela et al, On 23-6-2011 22:30, Angela Kemmler wrote: The electrical input was 750W No, it was between 784 and 805 W (230x3.4 or 230x3.5). The tension is 230 V in Italy. This is called in Italy eurotensione, google it. I already posted the link to the italian wikipedia article abt

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.comwrote: ** As a side note: tension refers in my book and wikipedia's to : Tension (physics), a force related to the stretching of an object (the opposite of compression) Tension can also mean voltage. According to wikipedia,

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-23 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 24-6-2011 0:46, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: As a side note: tension refers in my book and wikipedia's to : Tension (physics), a force related to the stretching of an object

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