On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Cude wrote:
Actually, even if you trust F. about the energy during the run the
data is entirely consistent with no excess heat.
Not according to Ny Teknik's This is how the test was done box at
This is picture of Ing Adolf Schneider and his wife with andrea rossi.
http://peswiki.com/images/d/d9/Schneiders-Rossi-Meeting-Foto-280711_300.jpg
On 11/17/11, peter.heck...@arcor.de peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
See:
http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/design.php?design=2
This is in German
Easiest and most useful way to do blank test is that there are two eCats
running in parallel. First eCat is running with hydrogen pressure and the
second one without. All the rest of attributes should be naturally
identical. This way we would get good comprehension for the excess heat
production
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course I understand the necessity for blank runs and controls when you
are trying to measure a fraction of a watt, or even ~10 W. But with
kilowatt levels of heat that anyone can confirm by sense of touch, running
a
I wonder, why Schneider's Trans Altec is interested in the e-cat technology at
all.
They are already selling or promoting electromagnetic generators that produce
electricity in the MW range with very little or no input energy. (Unfortunately
these are expensive)
Also he has a concept for
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If that is what you mean, you are wrong. Input power is much smaller than
output, and there is no chance it might be confused with output.
Output power may be larger than input in some demos, but the evidence does
not
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which reaction
initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling point of
water?
We don't know the temperature of the core when the reaction is
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which reaction
initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling point of
water?
The water never
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
This is true that the Rossi's effect is trivial to demonstrate
unconditionally. But this is also the reason, that Rossi has not had
any interests to provide conclusive evidence to the public.
Speculation about
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a problem because of powder is expensive and difficult to
fabricate.
Not according to Rossi, who says it is easy to fabricate, and the cost is
negligible.
It is also a problem because after you contaminate
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
The trouble is that H2(gas)+Ni(powder) reacts exothermically, as the
hydrogen is adsorbed onto the nickel.
This is true, and it means that the run would still have to be long enough
to account for this. But this
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
If so, the entire scientific community must be incredibly obstinate or
the proof for cold fusion isn't very good or some combination of both.
It is entirely the first. That is true of all other
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
**
On 11-11-16 05:32 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
There are actually some technical difficulties with a blank run in the
Rossi E-cat.
Wet
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do I need to keep arguing in favor of calibration
with a blank? Is there anyone else who doesn't get why it's desirable?
Even essential? I understand a blank may not be perfect because of the
Andrea Rossi
November 17th, 2011 at 6:18
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=12#comment-122144
Dear Francesco F:
Yes they are our North Europe commercial Branch, and they have been
authorized to make their website.
Anyway, you made a very useful comment: there are around many
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
**
OK, OK, you don't like any of Jed's examples.
But here's one you may find harder to dismiss: For a couple of
generations dinosaurs were said to be very much like big lizards: Cold
blooded, slow moving, and most
BTW, I cannot post on Rossi's forum, from anywhere. It's probably something
wrong with their website, would someone mind to submit that e-cat seller to
AR, please?
2011/11/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Andrea Rossi
November 17th, 2011 at 6:18
Oh, they answered:
Peter Heckert
November 17th, 2011 at 2:44 AM
Dear Mr. Rossi,
Trans Altec AG in Switzerland is offering E-CAT plants:
Main site:
http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/design.php?design=2
Direct link to e-cat offer without frame:
http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/view.php?view=Produkte
It
His representative in Switzerland is very, to put mildly, suspicious:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=detl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.transaltec.ch%2Ffacma%2Fdesign.php%3Fdesign%3D2
Due to physical *conditions, such systems* are *only economically viable
This is the English version:
http://www.gammamanager.com/index.html
2011/11/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
His representative in Switzerland is very, to put mildly, suspicious:
From Stephen:
I've got too much other stuff I'm not getting too, and the Rossi
discussion is looking to be interminable.
If my will power falters I'll unsubscribe for a while; absent that I'll
be trying to ignore goings-on here, partly in the no doubt vain hope
that something will have
Oops, I made a mistake. We have
320 kWh x 3600 s/h = 1.15 GJ
and not 576 MJ. And Joshua Cude wrote:
As I've said before, the temperatures are consistent with 70 kW output, to
give 385 kWh total.
So Joshua is right that the figures are consistent if we suppose a hidden energy
storage
Theory 1.
At some point Rossi decided to attempt a large scam. He somehow
talked Focardi and some others into this. Focardi said something
like: I'm tired of being a poor Italian university professor. Let's
make money! How about we rob a bank? Rossi answered, no, no, look,
we can easily fool
Hi,
Theory 1: ROFL.
Theory 2: who knows.
Kind regards,
MoB
metaparadigm 3...
the probable history we see reflects our own realization of beneficial
creative unity back in ever surprising, miraculous ways... Rich
R:
I do not understand your answer/comment or what ever!
Rich Murray
6:24 AM (9 minutes ago)
to *Rich*, michael
all reality and all history
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
Theory 1.
At some point Rossi decided to attempt a large scam. He somehow
talked Focardi and some others into this. Focardi said something
like: I'm tired of being a poor Italian university professor.
Let's make money! How about we rob a bank?
On 11/17/2011 8:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
This is the English version:
http://www.gammamanager.com/index.html
2011/11/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
His representative in Switzerland is very, to put mildly, suspicious:
Indeed - this company is in
Lab in Hungary is the likely source of iodine-131 release...
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/11/17/idINIndia-6058692017
attachment: winmail.dat
This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR,
in general ...
http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826
Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists
attachment: winmail.dat
OK, since Rossi confirms this site, http://ecat.com/, is official, can we
accept their description as accurate? . [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine
granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of
the reactor core.[/snip]. This description is at odds with
Oh, come on, you guys are so hard on Rossi because you don't consider other
real-time examples of choosing badly one's associates.
In Italy, the most rigorous law-and-order party ended up selecting, and
having elected, the most ridiculous of self promoting crooks in the current
Parliament, and
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that I know of a storage mechanism that doesn't involve
Rossi,
Focardi, etc. conspiring to deceive and developing specific technology for
that.
How one can accidentally store 1 GJ in the modules and
*Apparently, energy localization at the nano-scale circumvents the 2nd Law
of Thermodynamics.*
*
*
*Blasphemy!*
*
*
*T
*
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR,
in general ...
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
Theory 1.
At some point Rossi decided to attempt a large scam. He somehow
talked Focardi and some others into this.
I don't think that's necessary. Focardi was already a strong believer in
H-Ni fusion, so he would
What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25
Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
I would like to hear some speculation on his reason for using many small reactors instead of larger
devices. Is it due to safety concerns or is it
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
I've got too much other stuff I'm not getting too, and the Rossi
discussion is looking to be interminable.
If my will power falters I'll unsubscribe for a while; absent that I'll be
trying to ignore goings-on here,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, they answered:
These people seem to be selling self-running (or almost self-running)
magnetic motors. I would be very suspicious that those are a scam similar
to Steorn's. The translation is weird but their
Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :)
2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com
What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates
at high pressure (25 Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.
Hi,
You know it's not so much that theory 1 could not be true, but it's so
damned unlikely that if I were you, I would write this scenario into a
story book for a movie and sell the rights to a production company, I
think this would make a good blockbuster.
Kind regards,
MoB
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if you trust the reported *measurements*, then they are consistent with
no excess energy at all. You have to trust their *assumptions* to get a lot
of excess energy. And their assumptions are highly implausible,
Apparently, this guy only resells that device, just like he is doing with
the e-cat and is also a German version of Sterlin. This is the page about
the product:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Energy_By_Motion_(EBM)
This is the page:
http://www.gammamanager.com/
The inventor is prof.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR,
in general ...
http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826
Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists
They appear to be non-profit
Hi,
On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote:
I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the
refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for
100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box.
Not at all, ever heard of replacement modules?
It seems that a patent was granted in US and it was not revoked. It doesn't
seem a perpetual motion engine Reading with more attention, it just seems
this is a generator with higher efficiency. That is, where a normal does,
say, 1MW, this will output like 10% - 50% more. It doesn't state the
The only reason to do a blank test is to test the competency/honesty
of the experimenter.
harry
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Easiest and most useful way to do blank test is that there are two eCats
running in parallel. First eCat is running
Am 17.11.2011 17:49, schrieb Mary Yugo:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, they answered:
These people seem to be selling self-running (or almost self-running)
magnetic motors. I would be very suspicious that
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Marcello Vitale mvit...@ucsbalum.netwrote:
Having agents or other sales organizations is normal for B2B, where the
customer wants support for the product, asks a lot of questions, is an
expert of what he/she is buying. Again, it is not normal for retail
True enough but the temp is a bit higher. I just don't see igniting a plasma at those pressures
with the input power being reported.
Ron
--On Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:50 PM -0200 Daniel Rocha
danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :)
2011/11/17 Ron
If this E-cat business turns out, as I strongly suspect it will, to be a
scam, I suspect Rossi will be the only scammer among the usual suspects.
Along the way, he will have had to have accomplices and helpers -- some
with knowledge and some without. I doubt Focardi was in on any scam. I
have no
May be feasible, but I still see the current designs as prototypes that need a lot more industrial
design work.
Ron
--On Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:09 PM +0100 Man on Bridges
manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
Hi,
On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote:
I don't see his current prototypes as
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
No no. Schneiders Company is a successful long time runner in this
business.
[...]
He says the energy comes out of space and electronspin.
Schneider's company is currently building a prototype for Professor
At 02:40 AM 11/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
Or use two ecats. Then of course you'd need someone independent to
select which one to use for the blank run.
Solves nothing. In fact, nor does my proposed protocol.
Rossi just turns on the fakium for the live run, and leaves it off
for the blank
Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it
is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as
conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located in
the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site.
Also, if
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do I need to keep arguing in favor of calibration
with a blank? Is there anyone else who doesn't get why it's desirable?
Nice piccy of an oscillon on this page:
http://www.mech.northwestern.edu/web/people/faculty/umbanhowar/
T
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 02:40 AM 11/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
Or use two ecats. Then of course you'd need someone independent to select
which one to use for the blank run.
Solves nothing. In fact, nor does my proposed protocol.
Rossi
Am 17.11.2011 18:30, schrieb Joshua Cude:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Peter Heckert
peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
No no. Schneiders Company is a successful long time runner in this
business.
[...]
He says the energy comes out of space and
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 17.11.2011 17:49, schrieb Mary Yugo: No no. Schneiders Company is a
successful long time runner in this business.
For those who dont know it: AG means Aktiengesellschaft, this is a
stock corporation.
Now, having
Oh, well, I just found this:
Funds Raised
They have been able to raise close to $100 million to start building these
units.
2011/11/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
It seems that a patent was granted in US and it was not revoked. It
doesn't seem a perpetual motion engine Reading with
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The only reason to do a blank test is to test the competency/honesty
of the experimenter.
A blank test can be faked as easily as any other, so it would not test the
honesty of experimenter.
- Jed
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 17.11.2011 18:30, schrieb Joshua Cude:
You dont know the DVR (German Association for Vacuumenergy) There are so
many professors and doctors and engineers.
Some emeritus, some still active. Can all these be in
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, well, I just found this:
Funds Raised
They have been able to raise close to $100 million to start building
these units.
Where did you find that? Please list the URL when you quote things like
this.
- Jed
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
A blank test can be faked as easily as any other, so it would not test the
honesty of experimenter.
A blank test can indeed be faked. It just adds a layer of difficulty to
the faking process and complicates
Ron,
Temp is an average measurement and varies more and more widely with
localization especially, IMHO, when Casimir geometry is involved... fractional
hydrogen could achieve these temps where Casimir confinement is most extreme.
These hot spots may be what Rossi is both trying to protect and
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
One more minor point about the blank. I just remembered that the amount of
hydrogen Rossi claims is required for relatively short tests is negligible
in terms of heat of adsorption or reaction with nickel -- it's around a
gram if I recall correctly. So it
From: Terry Blanton
Apparently, energy localization at the nano-scale circumvents the 2nd Law
of Thermodynamics.
Blasphemy!
Not really blasphemy - closer to semantics-in-action. If Ahern is
correct, and many on Vortex will appreciate that he builds on Dirac
(Hotson's version) for the
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
One more minor point about the blank. I just remembered that the amount
of hydrogen Rossi claims is required for relatively short tests is
negligible in terms of heat of
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* Terry Blanton
** **
Imagine yourself in Paris around the turn of the century. You would have
been at a similar “loss for words.” But the establishment found a way to
save face, as always.
** **
Am 17.11.2011 19:04, schrieb Mary Yugo:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Its new technology and sometimes it goes wrong, who cannot
understand this.
It can go wrong occasionally but if it goes wrong mainly
Leslie Szabo on esowatch:
http://esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Leslie_Szab%C3%B3
Note that this is the same machine apparently marketed by Schneider.
This seems to be the English language site for it:
http://www.gammamanager.com/index.html
That photo also appears on Schneider's web site.
It is unfortunate that Mr. Rossi did not use all three cores of his ECAT for
the October 6, 2011 test. The results would have indicated at least 2 times
the observed energy production.
I have completed an extensive review of the data collected during that October
6 test and it is apparent
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Unlike the earlier situation – where Henri demonstrated that the new kind of
radiation did not depend on an “external source” of energy (but came
spontaneously from within the metal) the source of energy in
Oscillon or soliton? Not sure which. The difference can be subtle.
Neither is gainful on its own, but that is not the end-of-story. A good
analogy is the 'rogue wave' on the ocean (which is a rare massive energy
anomaly) but is not evidence of net gain.
The net gain would then need to
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 17.11.2011 19:04, schrieb Mary Yugo:
When it goes to court then there are aways professional engineers and
other witnesses and experts that have seen working devices.
Natural physical laws are not justice laws.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:35 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is unfortunate that Mr. Rossi did not use all three cores of his ECAT
for the October 6, 2011 test. The results would have indicated at least
2 times the observed energy production.
I have completed an extensive
I expect a lot of people witnessing the operation of a 470 kW cold fusion
system would be dazzled. Some can not be dazzled at all by any means. Those
not dazzled by this are missing history unfold before them.
Why complain about leaks? Is that your main problem? The main show was the
big
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Energy_By_Motion_(EBM)#Funds_Raised
2011/11/17 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, well, I just found this:
Funds Raised
They have been able to raise close to $100 million to start building
these units.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The only reason to do a blank test is to test the competency/honesty
of the experimenter.
A blank test can be faked as easily as any other, so it would not test the
honesty
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I expect a lot of people witnessing the operation of a 470 kW cold fusion
system would be dazzled. Some can not be dazzled at all by any means.
Those not dazzled by this are missing history unfold before them.
Why
If Rossi did use three cores (assuming he didn't before):
The energy output may increase, but we'd still still be without any method to
acually measure it, because of his calorimetry.
The energy consumed would have tripled, too, with a zero-net-gain possibility
still on the table.
The October
That's kinda what I have been saying, that magnetism is not a conserved
property of the universe. I, however, correctly identified the nuclear
magnetic or nuclear spin orbit force and the actor.
Frank Znidarsic
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
wrote:
So, if you trust the reported *measurements*, then they are
If you came from a community that did not use levers and never
developed the rudiments of lever science, how would you react upon
hearing a story that one man shifted a stone with a branch that you
KNOW from the stones description should require at least 8 strong men?
Is the story a tall
At 05:15 PM 11/16/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Good job.
Thanks ... I was just defending my honour, though !
It is hard to keep track of
these details, isn't it?
Yup. Any chance of asking Celani to ask Galantini if he brought the
Delta Ohm Steam Quality stuff?
At 11:45 AM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
I believe that is what the demand for independent university or
government tests are for.
If he offered to sell you one, on condition that you could test it to
your satisfaction before paying (clams?), would you buy it?
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Energy_By_Motion_(EBM)#Funds_Raised
Thanks.
I see this is some other claim. Nothing to do with Rossi.
There are a lot of these claims, aren't there?
- Jed
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 11:45 AM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
I believe that is what the demand for independent university or
government tests are for.
If he offered to sell you one, on condition that you could test it to your
satisfaction
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Energy_By_Motion_(EBM)#Funds_Raised
Thanks.
I see this is some other claim. Nothing to do with Rossi.
There are a lot of these
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you miss the point about the hydrogen. It has to be completely
removed from the Ni or you may get a cold fusion reaction. It will not be
blank.
Let's see if that's true. I doubt it. It's easily tested.
No, it is remarkably difficult to test
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
If you came from a community that did not use levers and never
developed the rudiments of lever science, how would you react upon
hearing a story that one man shifted a stone with a branch that you
KNOW from the stones
At 12:25 PM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: No secrets-- just results in
terms of methods used, instruments used, raw data obtained and
computed results. No gamma spectrum or anything else he supposedly objects to.
You demand the trade secrets of everything you buy? I thought you'd
be happy
We may have a situation of one scammer and a lot of people who should have
known better.
right, one confused, deluded, desperate person, and his enablers, to use
addiction treatment jargon...
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
If this E-cat business turns out,
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 12:25 PM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: No secrets-- just results in
terms of methods used, instruments used, raw data obtained and
computed results. No gamma spectrum or anything else he supposedly
objects to.
You demand the trade secrets of everything you buy? I
I also...
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
I've got too much other stuff I'm not getting too, and the Rossi
discussion is looking to be interminable.
If my will power
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 12:25 PM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: No secrets-- just results in
terms of methods used, instruments used, raw data obtained and computed
results. No gamma spectrum or anything else he supposedly objects to.
You
Voice input can be annoying. I need to adjust this latest upgrade. It works
better but I get careless.
I meant to say:
Most cold fusion devices do not PRODUCE any dangerous radiation.
I said Most devices are small. Perhaps when you scale them up to kilowatts
or megawatts they do produce
At 12:55 PM 11/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 12:25 PM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: No secrets-- just results
in terms of methods used, instruments used, raw data obtained and
computed results. No gamma spectrum or anything else he supposedly objects to.
You demand the trade secrets of
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you miss the point about the hydrogen. It has to be completely
removed from the Ni or you may get a cold fusion reaction. It will not be
blank.
Let's see if that's
Actually, there is no reason to believe that it will require additional input
energy to activate the 2 extra cores. He has a COP of 6 when all are used
which results in an output of 1558 * 6 = 9348 each ECAT of 107 total. I used
the test data to determine that this was entirely in line with
Be careful what you ask for Mary. I just wish Rossi had a good sense of humor.
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:High school physics says 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28
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