I should have zoomed in on voltage, current and R/R0 by turning off the
temperature traces in the graph, but the comment below is pretty close.
Between 4PM and (almost) midnight PST,
Hot wire current varied by less than 10 milliamps (1.712 - 1.722 amps)
Hot wire voltage varied by less than 20
Note thate ENEA with PdD proved the strong importance of crystalographic
structure.
One kind cause no heat, the other succed at 60%, and mix of two give mixed
results...
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=54t=674
It seems that DGT discuss of that, increasing the number of surface sites
with
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on vortex stated:
*“People are very appreciative of Russ because he's getting his hands
dirty, and that is indeed to be commended. But that's not enough. Cold
fusion flopped about for years with people trying to make reliable heat.
Scientifically, the field did not shift until
The frequency of T° ambient and P_Xs are the same (Around 50 minutes). Is ir
a coincidence?
Arnaud
On 2012-12-13 03:29, Craig wrote:
This is so strange. I set the data in View Test Celani Cell #2, found
here:
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs
Greetings Vortex,
Way Off Topic, but the Royal Nurse suicide by hanging WITH Injured
wrists..does seem somewhat ODD:
http://news.msn.com/world/coroner-nurse-in-royal-hoax-call-was-found-hanging-in-her-room
.
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex.would nt an injectible been a less violent way of
They shut the power off from around 4:30 am EST until around 5:45am EST.
Does anyone know why?
Craig
On 2012-12-13 13:25, Craig wrote:
They shut the power off from around 4:30 am EST until around 5:45am EST.
Does anyone know why?
It appears they tried loading it with pure H2 instead of an H2-Ar
mixture (75%-25%). This might (according to Dr.Celani) increase over
time the apparent excess
I think that there is a strong correlation between the ambient and the assumed
power output.
Dave
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From: Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:41 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Direct heating of Celani's wire at EU
I went to HUGentView and pulled up a graph with these parameters:
From: 12/12/2012 09:06:31 to 12/13/2012 09:06:31 Type: history (yesterday
and today)
This is only my impression, but these graphs look far too smooth to be cold
fusion. All of the actual cold fusion reactions I have seen fluctuate
Typical real cold fusion excess heat looks like this:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIprogressin.pdf
See:
Exp. # 64a . . . Excess Power of up to 34 watts; Average ~20 watts for 17
h
This is also how Ni-H cold fusion looks.
Perhaps Celani has discovered a particularly stable form of
On 2012-12-13 16:02, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is only my impression, but these graphs look far too smooth to be
cold fusion. All of the actual cold fusion reactions I have seen
fluctuate much more than this. They increase, decrease and sometimes
stop for no apparent reason. This looks like an
Which parameters were you viewing? Just the low power out? If so, then
it won't be to scale on that range and will look like a straight line
with the exception of where they turned the power off this morning.
Are you seeing the fluctuations that are here?
http://i50.tinypic.com/2e49mbd.jpg
I
It may also be that if Celani has found a method which is 100%
reproducible, then it is because his method creates a more stable
reaction. Otherwise it probably wouldn't be 100% reproducible if it was
as erratic as other experiments.
Craig
On 12/13/2012 10:14 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On
That is not typical. The key to Dardik's technique - the very essence - is
to provide the superwave of power input - which is waves of energy
superimposed on other waves.
One would expect that that a Dardik chart would look extremely noisy.
BTW - has Celani ever claimed cold fusion ? News to
Here's a 33 minute period from this morning. To me they look kind of
inverted - one goes up when the other goes down. At least in this sample.
The 50-minute cycles may be there but have to be confirmed by the math ...
the mind is sometimes too good at finding patterns.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That is not typical. The key to Dardik's technique - the very essence - is
to provide the superwave of power input . . .
Input is atypical, but the fluctuations in output are typical.
Here is another example:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
BTW - has Celani ever claimed cold fusion ? News to me if he has.
I believe he has, but in any case, that is what I call all unexplained
non-chemical heat anomalies in hydrides and deuterides. Whether they are
all actually the same effect or not is no
An elecrochemical environment might simply be more complex and so the
power produced is more erractic. A notable exception is heat after
death when an electrolyte boils away and becomes more like a Celani
wire in a gaseous environment.
Harry
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jed Rothwell
What you are objecting to is more an artifact of software leveling and
choices made in how data is presented - than an actual problem of results
being too smooth. McKubre's chart has already been leveled and could be
leveled more - and the MFM charts could be altered the other way to
accentuate
You may personally not want to make this important distinction, but cold
fusion obviously refers to fusion, most notably with deuterium - and this
is only a fraction of what can be covered by LENR. The term cold fusion
should be dropped for all references to NiH - unless and until there is
On 12/13/2012 11:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
You may personally not want to make this important distinction, but cold
fusion obviously refers to fusion, most notably with deuterium - and this
is only a fraction of what can be covered by LENR. The term cold fusion
should be dropped for all
With all deference to Dr. Mallove, this is simply not a smart rationale. It
smacks of some kind of psychological payback.
Science aspires to be more than vindictive (even when it is not above that
sin, most of the time)... and if anything, if LENR proponents take the high
road, they are not
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/13/2012 11:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
You may personally not want to make this important distinction, but cold
fusion obviously refers to fusion, most notably with deuterium - and this
is only a fraction of what can
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, as another Italian put it:
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet . . .
Juliet Capulet was Italian?
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, as another Italian put it:
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet . . .
Juliet Capulet was
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you seeing the fluctuations that are here?
http://i50.tinypic.com/2e49mbd.jpg
I can't pull up that exact graph, but the fluctuations are similar in
the lower P_Xs Low parameter.
Ah, that does look better. The periodicity is maybe a little too
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Juliet Capulet was Italian?
Verona, IT. Hmm, we learn something every day.
Yes, Italians spoke English remarkably well in those days. Lots of cliches
though.
You might be thinking of the Verona Beach, FL version with the well-known
Italian Leonardo
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
An elecrochemical environment might simply be more complex and so the
power produced is more erractic.
That's true. And fluctuations are not desirable. This could be a sign of
progress, and not a sign of an artifact.
Rossi's heat is also pretty stable.
At 10:39 PM 12/12/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:50:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Great minds think alike, could be the saying, but, of course, this is
just the ordinary human mind! We can think alike, in unexpected
ways. My own theory is
I wrote:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2e49mbd.jpg
I can't pull up that exact graph, but the fluctuations are similar in
the lower P_Xs Low parameter.
Ah, that does look better. The periodicity is maybe a little too regular.
But better.
If I had to pick a likely instrument artifact, I would
At 12:55 AM 12/13/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Craig
mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.comcchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs Low. Notice that the
excess power is oscillating between 4 watts and 8 watts, in a very
precise
At 01:00 AM 12/13/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
I wrote:
Re almost hourly fluctuations in T_Ambient -- the HVAC system
kicking in periodically, maybe?
Also, do any of the electronics folks here know what the effect
might be on the instrumentation providing us with a measure for P_in
if the
At 01:50 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I looked at the voltage, current, and R/R0 values over various
periods and they all look completely flat to me.
At what frequencies? How did you look? If you are looking at a
low-bandwidth display, you might miss high-frequency transients.
At 02:04 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
Got from another LENR researcher:
There are several reported values for the enthalpy of formation
of nickel hydride with -8.8 kJ/mol being the lowest and -16.3
kJ/mol being the highest at standard temperature and pressure.
He went on to show
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Generally, cold fusion researchers attempt to measure and monitor
loading. It is typically a critical variable.
I think that would be very difficult with this system. Probably
impossible. The mass of the wire is small and it does not absorb much gas.
It is a good
At 03:07 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I am looking at 1 minute averages. This is very solid.
Okay. This would not detect invisible excess input power due to
power supply high-frequency variations. At all.
This is what SRI did. They used a constant-current power supply, with
The possible correlation with T_Ambient was being discussed in another
thread. Eric and Arnaud (?) pointed it out, I argued against jumping to
conclusions. Dunno.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I wrote:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2e49mbd.jpg
I
At 10:02 AM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I went to HUGentView and pulled up a graph with these parameters:
From: 12/12/2012 09:06:31 to 12/13/2012 09:06:31 Type: history
(yesterday and today)
This is only my impression, but these graphs look far too smooth to
be cold fusion. All of the
At 04:07 AM 12/13/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on vortex stated:
People are very appreciative of Russ because
he's getting his hands dirty, and that is indeed
to be commended. But that's not enough. Cold
fusion flopped about for years with people
trying to make reliable heat.
Jed, all those examples are PdD FPHE cells, if I'm correct. Right?
At 11:07 AM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.netjone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That is not typical. The key to Dardik's technique - the very essence - is
to provide the superwave of power input . .
No argument. All we can say right now is neither factor (HF supply noise /
enthalpy) appears to be significant based on the available data for the
supplies and reasonable analysis on the chemical side. Neither the data nor
the analysis is everything one could ask for.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
The possible correlation with T_Ambient was being discussed in another
thread.
Yup. I realized that after posting the message.
Eric and Arnaud (?) pointed it out, I argued against jumping to
conclusions. Dunno.
Yup again. It is the kind of thing
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, all those examples are PdD FPHE cells, if I'm correct. Right?
Well, the data from Pons is in heat after death, which is sort of like gas
loading. No electrolysis or input noise.
We are all familiar with Rossi's data, which is noisy at times.
I ran a correlational analysis on the last 4 hours of data. T ambient is
correlated -.79 with P_xs. So, pxs rises when ambient drops (or vice
versa). That may have to do with the spiking and dipping, but probably not
with the baseline level of Pxs.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Jed
our capacity to use hiden channel of information to get data on other
people is surprising.
any actor know that if you don't feel what you say, spectators can see it
instantly.
more surprising it have been show that humans can detect som mental states
characteristics throug the walking move. In
I'll agree. Mallove was talking about the FPHE, which *is* cold fusion
(remaining arguments are semantic/pedantic. If deuterium is being converted to
helium, and it is, no matter what the mechanism, it is fusion as to result.)
But we don't know the mechanism for NiH. We don't really even know
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Please remember: we do not know that NiH heat is cold fusion. We don't
know what it is.
Mike McKubre and I suspect that whatever it is, it is the same thing as
Pd-D heat, based on the conservation of miracles.
Since no one has checked for
My suggestion. For more effective communication, don't use language that treats
a guess as if were known fact. Even if it seems like a good guess.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
My suggestion. For more effective communication, don't use language that
treats a guess as if were known fact. Even if it seems like a good guess.
Any statement about the nature of cold fusion is a guess. There are no
generally accepted theories.
I agree with Jed,
I wish we could stop obsessing over what the phrase “Cold Fusion”
really means. The truth of the matter is: nobody really knows for sure
what kind of phenomenon “Cold Fusion” really represents. Big deal! Get
over it! The phrase “Cold Fusion” is nothing more than a place
holder.
I proposed a simple test procedure for the MFMP team at the EU site to conduct.
First, they need to let the cell cool down to around room temperature. Then,
the 48 watt step drive function should be applied to the inactive wire for 1
hour.
After that period has elapsed, the drive needs
At 03:40 PM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
No argument. All we can say right now is neither factor (HF supply
noise / enthalpy) appears to be significant based on the available
data for the supplies and reasonable analysis on the chemical side.
Neither the data nor the analysis is
At 04:15 PM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Jed, all those examples are PdD FPHE cells, if I'm correct. Right?
Well, the data from Pons is in heat after death, which is sort of
like gas loading. No electrolysis or
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I proposed a simple test procedure for the MFMP team at the EU site to
conduct.
Glad you suggested this to them directly. This open communication is a
breath of fresh air for this field.
First, they need to let the cell cool down to around room
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Dmitriyeva. Cool. She just got her PhD. For cold fusion work. Times are
changing, Jed.
She never got any excess heat! Years of work with no interesting results.
That part has not changed.
- Jed
At 05:41 PM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
My suggestion. For more effective communication, don't use language
that treats a guess as if were known fact. Even if it seems like a good guess.
Any statement about the
At 06:32 PM 12/13/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
I agree with Jed,
I wish we could stop obsessing over what the phrase âCold Fusionâ
really means. The truth of the matter is: nobody really knows for sure
what kind of phenomenon âCold Fusionâ really represents. Big deal! Get
At 02:55 PM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Generally, cold fusion researchers attempt to measure and monitor
loading. It is typically a critical variable.
I think that would be very difficult with this system. Probably
impossible. The mass of the wire is small
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:31:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
It's also not necessary to explain human behavior, AFAIK. Look, that
resonance is ELF. Possible data rate, a few Hz, maybe. No mechanism
known for even emitting signals. No signals observed.
[snip]
I
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:31:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
It's also not necessary to explain human behavior, AFAIK. Look, that
resonance is ELF. Possible data rate, a few Hz, maybe. No mechanism
known
Frequency and phase modulation are fundamentally the same. They are directly
related to each other since frequency is the derivative of phase with respect
to time.
Amplitude modulation is independent.
Dave
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