On 31.12.2012, at 23.27, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cold fusion will be orders of magnitude cheaper than jet fuel.
That is not true. On board cold fusion generator might be slightly cheaper than
current heavily taxed fossil jet fuel, but with cold fusion it is cheap to
produce
First, I would like to apologize to the list for posting this despite my
promise not to do so. This is just too important to leave unresolved.
On further googling the terms bestiality and islam, I found this page which
has NOTHING to do with bestiality, but does document islam's practice with
It's entropy, all curled up in those 7 extra dimensions of space. The
radiation at its surface can make it very energetic, alphas and betas, the
larger the particle the more energetic.
Entropic flux creates gravity, electricity and magnetism. It flows and it
orbits and 95% of the universe is
Works of fiction can blend reality and the craziest of fictions, to make it
look plausible. Take as an example zombie stories: they are thrilling to
many people precisely because the authors makes the dead raising plausible
by setting it in the real world, with common people, not heroes or kings.
On 01/01/2013 01:38 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
As to the issue of unverfiiable source. You need to define what you
mean by unverifiable. How does one go about verifying a history book
like the Bible?
You can't... and that's the point.
Craig
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
That certainly is an intriguing statement coming from Mr. Rothwell.
Jed has said things like this many times. It's obvious that there are
people convinced by Rossi, but what it means that they confirm that
Rossi's device works is unknown.
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
What irks me is when skeptics do not even bother to read the papers by
Bockris, Gerischer or McKubre
The barrier I ran into with one of the founders of the DoE was a demand
that I filter your bibliograpny down to only papers that appeared in
journals
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
First, I would like to apologize to the list for posting this despite my
promise not to do so
And everything you might have to say from this point doesn't matter. This
has nothing to do with the list , or modern muslims.
See:
http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2012/12/28/t-bg-vertical-farms.cnnmoney/index.html
OK, who in this forum doubts the existence of Julius Ceasar, the Roman Emperor.
No one in his right mind would.
But, people call the existence of Jesus Christ a myth. When in fact, the
existence of Jesus Christ is supported by a hundred times more literary,
archeological and historical
Tell me your background Chan. What degrees do you have?
Jojo
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Jojo
You assume I was talking about Jesus and that is not rational. I mentioned
an example of how a genere iction can be blend with real facts to make it
look more real. For example, the whole creation business, paradise story,
tower of babel, flood, are all fiction, but as story progresses it starts
But this is exactly where you're wrong. You can in fact verify the Bible.
It's very simple. find one, just one fact that has been categorically found
to be false. This one erroneous fact alone would sink the entire
credibility of the Bible.
I issued a challenge to anyone reading to do this.
On 01/01/2013 11:59 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
But this is exactly where you're wrong. You can in fact verify the
Bible. It's very simple. find one, just one fact that has been
categorically found to be false. This one erroneous fact alone would
sink the entire credibility of the Bible.
With
Latest news: Pope Catholic, Troll Continues Trolling
At 11:45 PM 12/31/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
OK, Lomax, you have had your last word. As promised, I am not
insulting back and letting it be.
Please end this. Unless you want to continue the exchange.
Jojo
PS. Note that this response is a
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm glad you feel better now.I am skeptical by nature but have been
persuaded that Rossi has something.Just how well the E-Cats work has not
been proven and there may well still be problems with repeatability and
control.
There are too many people who have seen
At 11:48 AM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
OK, who in this forum doubts the existence of Julius Ceasar, the
Roman Emperor. No one in his right mind would.
Me. Where does he exist? I don't only have a right brain, I have a
left brain as well. Now, what does this have to do with Moon God,
Dozens
Well I suppose I can see the relevance to vortex-l in the sense that
vertical farming to save land is fundamentally an energy trechnology: You
presumably have higher photosynthetic efficiency -- otherwise its energetic
advantages are proximity of production to consumption.
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
This is a thoroughly embarrassing event in the history of science. It's a
huge story, in fact. I've thought of asking Taubes to look at it again.
I would not attempt to resuscitate Gary Taubes. He was a card
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
There are too many people who have seen demonstrations and are involved
with Rossi without shouting fraud for it to be likely that it is.
Yes. It seems unlikely. I can't rule it out 100%.
If he is faking it, many people seem to be in cahoots with
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well I suppose I can see the relevance to vortex-l . . .
Not that relevant, but it is one of the things I described in my book,
which I have been following for some time. Indoor farming plus in vitro
meat production would free up just about all of the land
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well I suppose I can see the relevance to vortex-l . . .
Not that relevant, but it is one of the things I described in my book,
which I have been following for some time.
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . it is hard for me to see a way to substantially increase
photosynthetic efficiency of ordinary vegetables to the point that it would
be important to land use.
I do not think anyone is talking about improved photosynthetic efficiency.
Indoor farms
At 04:22 AM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
First, I would like to apologize to the list for posting this
despite my promise not to do so. This is just too important to
leave unresolved.
It's always too important to keep the promise. The whole farrago of
topics are too important not to dwell on.
I also recommend for reading Dickson Despommier's book The Vertical Farm that
Jed already linked. It is one of those books that are very stimulating for the
imagination.
On 1.1.2013, at 20.11, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It is an example of a technology which can solve many
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Latest news: Pope Catholic, Troll Continues Trolling
The Pope is trolling?!? I have heard he Tweets. Now this!
I guess it is an effort to bring the Church into the Modern Era and appeal
to Youth. He is keeping up with the latest technology, like
Alain Sepeda Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:25:26 -0800
Just found some data on the company and the inventor.
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?939-Patent-Ni-alloys-for-H-storage-amp-generation-of-energy-%28Target-tech-intl-Han-NEE%29p=3482#post3482
Hm,
This is familiar.
WO2012166808A2
An
On Jan 1, 2013, at 9:33, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Your approach seems to be guilty until proven innocent.
You may be surprised how long it takes to verify some of Rossi's claims. Be
prepared for canceled reports and business arrangements and for statements that
may not have
Do you have evidence that all this things you mentioned are fiction? I don't
believe you have. You just decided not to believe it so in your eyes it is
fiction.
As a matter of fact, there is evidence of these things you call fiction. There
is scientific evidence for a young Earth consistent
On 1/01/2013 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
... I have still to encounter a statement in
the Bible that science has found to be categorically false.
I challenge you or anyone to prove me wrong on this. But do it one at a
time so that I can respond properly to it. Do not cut and paste a blog from
My friend, read the link first and then come and and we'll discuss. Stop
the uninformed speculations. All the things you've said is addressed by the
link. Evidence from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari is presented. Study it
first lest you look ignorant.
Jojo
- Original Message
Contradictory news/rumours re Mr X are circulating. Some tell he is dead
but the others say he is still alive.
The truth as usual, is someway in the middle.
Peter
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Aha, but there is this concept of Preponderance of Evidence.
The problem it is not that he is informed. Not only vastly more than you,
since he can actually not only read the canon in Arabic but also criticisms
and counter criticisms, discussion, of the highest authorities, all in
Arabic. Although we should all question whatever people tells us, he
This is something hard to accept for convinced people, but it is a great
principle.
The free speech constitutional principle seems very important...
LENR seems victim of an indirect restriction of free speech in science,
where inconvenient position lead to lost of funding, and blacklisting...
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Be prepared for canceled reports and business arrangements and for
statements that may not have been as accurate as one would like. The
upshot is a long-term lack of clarity on what it is that he has.
Too true! I think his claims are basically true,
It must be sad when when it's impossible to even get anyone remotely
serious about science that you are right. Everyone that listen to you are
people that hold to religious fundamentalism to overcome emotional problems.
2013/1/1 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
**
Do you have evidence that all
John,
You seem to have attempted to answer my challenge on 2 fronts. First, the
geocentricity of the Earth and the Second, the age of the Earth.
OK, Let's examine the evidence you've provided.
First, you came up with the opinion of a man and proceeded to demolish it. If
this is not a
Have you read the link? It provides muslim sources that categorically say the
things I am saying. How can one who claims to be objective say that Lomax is
right about this. You fancy yourself as being objective right? If not, I have
nothing else to discuss with you. I will only discuss
Contrary to the beliefs of many, I consider it probable that the force that
moves the piston in the Papp cylinder is produced by electromagnetic forces
and not by an increase in pressure in the gas within the cylinder.
If this opinion is true, this electromagnetic force not only produces
energy
Tell me your background Chan. What degrees do you have?
From: leaking pen
And everything you might have to say from this point doesn't matter.
This has nothing to do with the list , or modern muslims. You are a
bigot, stretching to find reasons to have your bigotry. We are
SCIENTISTS. We
At 04:22 AM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Silas/childbrides.htm#s4http://www.answering-islam.de/Silas/childbrides.htm#s4
This post is a response to that web page. For
this post Jojo Jaro is irrelevant. I will thank
him, however, for pointing me to this page,
Jed wrote: Too true! I think his claims are basically true, but I have
no idea about the details, or how close to reality the hot cat is. The
details are obscured by layer upon layer of double-talk and obfuscation.
I assume that is deliberate.
I basically agree with you. He would have to be
Jaro, are you suggesting that we meet here, in this forum, and vote as
to whether you have presented a 'preponderance of evidence' that your
assertions are true? And if we vote 'no', will you then agree that the
Bible has not been proven to be true, and is considered, therefore, to
be false?
No, I am suggesting that you count the facts written in the Bible that have
found to be true. Then count the facts found to be false and then count the
facts that have not be found true or found false yet. If the number of
facts that have found to be true is 51% or greater, then the Bible has
At 03:08 PM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
My friend, read the link first and then come and and we'll
discuss. Stop the uninformed speculations. All the things you've
said is addressed by the link. Evidence from Sahih Muslim and Sahih
Bukhari is presented. Study it first lest you look
Lomax, have you actually read the link?
It seems to me that you are still asserting a lot of things contrary to
Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari.. Are you saying you reject the accuracy of
the accounts written in these 2 works. If you do, how can one have a
meaningful debate with you. You
Alan, you are trying to be funny right? Episcopalian Atheist? What is
that? Did you start out as an Episopalian and ended up as an Atheist?
What field is your PhD. You worked in the semiconductor industry, I
presume, designing chips? If so, you are worth your weight in gold. I
always
Daniel was somewhat correct, but Jojo misreads him. I am not fluent
in Arabic, but I can read it -- sometimes well, sometimes painfully
-- and I can use dictionaries and grammars, and, in addition,
*generally understand the material.* It's like trying to read a
physics text in a foreign
At 02:28 PM 1/1/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Latest news: Pope Catholic, Troll Continues Trolling
The Pope is trolling?!? I have heard he Tweets. Now this!
Hah! No, the Pope is not trolling. This was just
the Latest
Yes, LENR (or any revolution in energy production) is a wild card with
which I must deal in my planning and obviously the potential for artificial
light and heat is enhanced but it is still somewhat limited by capital
expenses. For instance, one of the perennial fallacies of algae
cultivation is
Select all, mark as read. Same as most other days lately.
Jeff
Andrea Rossi
December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=4#comment-514345
Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
You are touching a very important point: during these very days, and also
during the more recent tests, we are working on this issue. I think we will be
At 10:00 AM 1/1/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
That certainly is an intriguing statement coming from Mr. Rothwell.
Jed has said things like this many times. It's obvious that there
are people convinced by Rossi, but what
Interesting video, but frustrating.
Klostermann seems like a sweet old guy who is having fun working with
the Papp concept. He's done all kinds of things, but the type of
cannon he has built, and that we saw firing so many times, could
easily be arranged so that energy output is measured.
My first thought was thermo-electric (in which Rossi has some .. history), but
that counter-indicated by his low temperature comments.
How about gammavoltaics?
Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration when he
originally stated that the energy was released in the form of low energy gammas
that were converted into heat inside his shield. It did not take long to come
to the conclusion that this must not be true unless the
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)
Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration
when he originally stated that the energy was released in the form of
low energy gammas that were converted
Both are false.
On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Sorry I am confused.
What is considered false here?
A nine year old is barely out diapers
or
that muslims do not disapprove of sexual relations with a nine year old?
Harry
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM,
Jojo, you do not speak for true Christians. I know many Christians and
others who find the Muslim call to prayer beautiful.
On Jan 1, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Other than what he wrote in his autobiography, no. But his autobiography is
a revealing work into his psyche.
He
Your statements about nationality and about adoption and nationality are
incorrect.
What is your evidence for Obama being registered as a Muslim?
On Jan 1, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
While what you are saying about Indonesian schools may be true today - I am
not knowledgeable about
The construction of the Klostermann test device is not in the proper
configuration to test for over unity energy output.
For that over unity test, the popper is best to use.
The Papp reaction acts as a kind of capacitor which stores the energy input
that has been expended in the production of
Rossi’s secret sauce produces charge separation through the action of heat.
Think cesium.
Cheers: Axil
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)
At 02:33 AM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
So, muslims approve of marriage with sexual relations to a 9 year
old menstruating little girl?'''
There are only 2 possible answers: Yes or No. But let's see how
Lomax will spin this.
The general answer is No. But it is also possible to find a
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
It is reasonable to expect that the feedback current when added to the
energy exerted in the vigorous movement of the piston will comfortably
exceed over unity energy production expectations.
Eh?
Sorry, but that does not ring any bells for me Axil. Could you give a brief
description of how cesium would allow that?
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF
On 01/01/2013 05:59 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
No, I am suggesting that you count the facts written in the Bible that
have found to be true. Then count the facts found to be false and
then count the facts that have not be found true or found false yet.
If the number of facts that have found to be
I'm sorry to break from scientific debates on Cold Fusion, but to be
honest, JoJo has dominated this mailing list for several weeks now with
very little response and light response from the Vortex-L mail list. If I
may, I would like to suspend the rules and use 4 letter words If that is
OK with
At 06:23 PM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Lomax, have you actually read the link?
Yes. The post that I made proves that, by quoting from it in detail.
Has Jojo actually read my mail? It appears not, but then he responds
to it. Obviously, if he has not read it, he has *made up* what I
At 06:34 PM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Alan, you are trying to be funny right? Episcopalian Atheist? What
is that? Did you start out as an Episopalian and ended up as an Atheist?
I'd suspect that he was born Episcopalian and became an atheist.
Some atheists, my own opinion, are actually
Allow me to restate and clarify specifically.
For example, by effectively acting as a capacitor or a battery, if 500
watts of input power is used to create the spark per each discharge with
little heat having been produced, the popper must act to preserve the input
current in part or in total
Electropositivity is a measure of an element's ability to donate electrons,
and therefore form positive ions; thus, it is opposed to electronegativity.
Mainly, this is an attribute of metals, meaning that for the most part, the
greater the metallic character of an element, the greater the
On 2/01/2013 4:59 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
First, you came up with the opinion of a man and proceeded to demolish
it. If this is not a clear example of a Strawman argument, I don't
know what is. I won't even bother to rebute this argument as it is
clearly fallacious. I said provide a statement
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