[Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Kevin O'Malley wrote: We need to know where to draw the line. Which facts do we consider so obvious that when someone denies them, they're a debunker rather than small 's' skeptic. Nah, because we become debunkers only if we start logging onto forums in order to crusade

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, it is the 2nd time you give this warning about the rule. Will ban or not Joshua Cude, since he seems the only one to not follow the rule? 2013/5/16 William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com On Sun, 12 May 2013, Kevin O'Malley wrote: We need to know where to draw the line. Which facts do we

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
The negative charge concentration is focused into a volume of just 1 cubic nanometer, it is not hot fusion but screening of the coulomb barrier and the polaritons are readily formed into a system wide Bose Einstein condensate. Look up the term “spaser”. All this helps to lower the coulomb barrier.

RE: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread *** Craig Brown ***
I've dealt with these types for years. The actual term I prefer to use is Pseudosceptics - due to the fact that they do not display any of the traits of true sceptics, but rather that they are opposed to ANYTHING which cannot be explained by establishment dogma. The term sceptic no longer means

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
See references: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAgusg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQsig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUAbvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ also see

Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

2013-05-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-05-16 05:34, Peter Gluck wrote: This morning, quite early, Daniele Passerini publishes a mystery list of 15 persons: http://22passi.blogspot.ro/2013/05/la-risposta-fa-36213.html Many of them are well known in our circles. He says these persons were driving a car for the coming (June

Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

2013-05-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Poco anni fa (a few years ago) I have donated a copy of Ed Storms' book to the Library of this organization via an Euro-parlamentarian friend, but I don't see a cause-effect relationship between these two events. Does those gals and guys come to the June 2 gathering? End of intellectual

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: You do not need multiple experiments to prove the effect is real. One good one suffices. One good one that can be performed by anyone, or for anyone. Oh sure. Just like

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: No, you got it wrong again. To use your dice analogy, it is as if someone went ahead and rolled the dice 6*14,720 times and they yielded 14,720 hits. But along comes a skeptic who says that all of those hits were

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: No, you got it wrong again. To use your dice analogy from the other thread, it is as if someone went ahead and rolled the dice 6*14,720 times and they yielded 14,720 hits. But along comes a skeptic who says that all of

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: As I wrote, it represents the probability that ALL of the replications were the result of error. No it doesn't. That is true only if all the attempts give replications.

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it is weak compared to the power of a Tokamak reactor, although it often produces a lot more energy. (The tokamak record is 6 MJ; the cold fusion record for Pd-D is around 150 MJ I think.) Not that it makes much

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
1 cubic nanometer is an enourmous volume, not a small volume. You'd need focusing like at a few fm, 1 million times smaller in scale or 10^18 smaller in volume. 2013/5/16 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com The negative charge concentration is focused into a volume of just 1 cubic nanometer, it is

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, thanks for the citation re decay acceleration, You are adding support for relativistic effects in this environment, It does appear that appropriate laser application multiplies the measured effect, I would posit that it accelerates the medium transport through the geometry and multiplies

Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

2013-05-16 Thread Terry Blanton
. . . very strong isotope effect . . . VSIE . . . never seen that term before. Pronounced vizzy rhymes with fizzy. Beats leaner rhymes with weiner.

RE: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Daniel Rocha I hope you just noticed that the energy scale at which these phenomena occur are puny in comparison to what is needed for fusion. Right you are Daniel - yet this is an interesting amplification

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Edmund Storms
This process assumes something starts the the nuclear reaction in the absence of radiation. If the nuclear reactions can be started without radiation, why would it need radiation to continue. Also, nano- particles are seldom present in significant amounts. Consequently, I see no reason

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Dan, Re the energy scale, This is why I think a Zero point phenomena is involved... a bootstrap mechanism like the MAHG where a reversible reaction is powered by ZPE to accumulate into the NAE under discussion. Disassociation threshold discount so large [OU] that it wants to run away but heat

Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: To fit 15 persons, it would have to be a minibus. Or a circus clown car. That would not be totally inappropriate. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The figure plots the loading in experiments that showed excess heat. So, it means if you see excess heat, the loading is high. It does not show the converse, which is what you claim. Ding ding ding ding ding ding!!! You win the Internets! THAT is one

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: It is not a bit random. Storms calls it erratic, and dependent on luck and nature's mood. Erratic is not the same as random. When computer equipment fails because of overheating the performance is erratic but the cause is well understood and not a

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed, two different applications of the word random are being applied without a clear differentiation. The effect in a particular sample involves a random creation of the required conditions. These conditions are not controlled, consequently they are present in some samples and not present

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is the 2nd time you give this warning about the rule. Will ban or not Joshua Cude, since he seems the only one to not follow the rule? I do not think he should be banned. He is reasonably polite and he states his beliefs clearly. Just ignore

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's still against the rules, no matter how polite and beliefs, which are against the rules. 2013/5/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is the 2nd time you give this warning about the rule. Will ban or not Joshua Cude, since he seems

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: It is not a bit random. Storms calls it erratic, and dependent on luck and nature's mood. Erratic is not the same as random. Storms on Feb 18: My theory predicts that

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The figure plots the loading in experiments that showed excess heat. So, it means if you see excess heat, the loading is high. It does not show the converse, which is what you

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Jed, two different applications of the word random are being applied without a clear differentiation. The effect in a particular sample involves a random creation of the required conditions. These conditions are not controlled, consequently they are

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: THAT is one of the strangest assertions I have ever read, in all the years I have been reading strange comments from skeptics. Seriously, that takes the cake. Maybe you don't understand what converse means. Maybe you do not understand what physical

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: THAT is one of the strangest assertions I have ever read, in all the years I have been reading strange comments from skeptics. Seriously, that takes the cake. Maybe you

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: 1 cubic nanometer is an enourmous volume, not a small volume. You'd need focusing like at a few fm, 1 million times smaller in scale or 10^18 smaller in volume. Your concept of this process is not yet correct. No one

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/13138/1/thesis.pdf This experimenter found not much alpha decay help from high powered lasers alone. Sorry, the screening comes from polariton production by laser stimuli of nano-particles. In the referenced I sited for you, the dissertation by

RE: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Jones Beene
Excuse the typo:27.2 * 11= 299.2 eV ... which is an important correction to make - since the 11th ionization potential of nickel happens to be 299.96 eV which is very close to an ideal fit for the Mills' catalytic hole - a few parts per thousand off. This fits pretty well with the idea of

[Vo]:NASA on LENR

2013-05-16 Thread pagnucco
Courtesy of Coldfusionnow.org Responsibly imaginable LENR solutions from NASA http://coldfusionnow.org/responsibly-imaginable-lenr-solutions-from-nasa/ Advanced-to-Revolutionary Space Technology Options – The Responsibly Imaginable Dennis M. Bushnell - Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
In the Rossi reactor, Polaritons are produced by heating the nickel micro-particles. Heat is initially required to produce enough polariton activity to get the LENR reaction going. Because Rossi keeps his reactor subcritical, heat must be applied periodically to rekindle the LENR reaction. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Laser light can hardly compress anything in this case. Have you thought about the wavelength of light of 500nm? A sphere with one node of it can contain 125 billions of H atoms. 2013/5/16 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/13138/1/thesis.pdf This

RE: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Chris Zell
Thank you for your reference to Electron Validum. Again, I'm not a physicist but if this EV phenomena was accepted as empirically true, then 'free energy' and transmutation follow easily. I don't see how it could be otherwise. It's concentrated enough to blast thru a Coulomb barrier. If I

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
There is another compression mechanism that is important in Nanoplasmonics. The wavelength of light can be compressed by a factor of 10 to the 8th power by a nanoantenna when a polariton is formed. Mark Stockmen explains it far better than me in his primer that I referenced up thread. On Thu,

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
You could think of the compression mechanism not as causing fusion directly, but causing the appearance of akito's symmetric condensate. 2013/5/16 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com There is another compression mechanism that is important in Nanoplasmonics. The wavelength of light can be compressed

[Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Jack Cole
Since either potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide react with aluminum to produce hydrogen, I wonder if NiAl wire in electrolysis with KOH or NaOH might prove interesting. Any thoughts? Perhaps even simpler would be adding this wire to a solution of KOH or NaOH without electrolysis. I don't

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Elsewhere I have argued that it is much more likely that an artifact mistaken as excess heat is correlated with high loading, or the conditions that produce high loading, than that nuclear reactions are so correlated. And while I can't identify such an

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
One of the most difficult jobs that a LENR experimenter is now faced with is to figure out what reaction products that the LENR reaction will produce. There are countless combinations and permutations of nuclear configurations that can results from lowering the coulomb barrier over a billion NAE

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I can't identify such an artifact, neither can you identify a nuclear reaction that fits the claims. I do not need to identify the reaction. The tritium and helium proves it is a nuclear reaction. To put it another way, the only 'theory' I need is the what engineers call the

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's still against the rules, no matter how polite and beliefs, which are against the rules. As Captain Barbossa put it, they are more like guidelines than rules. Cude is not a pirate, y'see. Captain Barbossa: First, your return to shore was not

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Kevin O'Malley
As usual, the skeptopath reads it completely wrong so that he can hold onto his belief system: I explicitly wrote rolled the dice 6*14,720 times and then the yield. Joshua Cude is here to sneer and debunk, even when he's completely proven wrong. On 5/16/13, Joshua Cude

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Findlay
Hi Jack, I had the same idea a couple of years ago. It gets even more interesting when you realize that the NiAl + NaOH reaction produces Raney Nickel (google it - it is a nano-porous material) which has very interesting properties. The reaction effectively pre-loads the Raney Nickel

[Vo]:Yahoo Answers censorship

2013-05-16 Thread Harvey Norris
Your answer has been reported by the Yahoo! Answers community Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:26 AM Hello harvich, The answer on Yahoo! Answers was reported and deleted by one or more trusted members of the Answers community: Science has yet to recognize that it is not necessary to make astronomical

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Kevin O'Malley
You, on the other hand, are saying there may be an artifact that causes problems with instruments perfected in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Instruments which have been used in millions of experiments and real world applications. You are saying this artifact has never been observed in any

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Edmund Storms
I studied Raney Ni and found no evidence for extra heat. The material is actually an Ni-Al alloy that contains a small fraction of Al. It is very reactive to oxygen, unreactive to water and unreactive to H2. It is dangerous to use without care. Ed Storms On May 16, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andy

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote: I wonder if anyone has looked for anomalous heat in this process. Whether they look or not, they often find heat considering that the material is flammable.

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jed: So you need only look at the positive results, and estimate the likelihood that every one of them was caused by incompetent researchers making mistakes. ***That is what I've been saying all along. Note how Joshua Cude just glides over it. The hallmark of a skeptopath is how disingenuous

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Findlay
HI Ed, Yes, I should have mentioned the dangers involved but for some reason or another I was assuming people would read up on it before trying anything. I am curious to know, though, whether you were looking at heat during the production of Raney Nickel, or how it behaves in a Rossi type

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Also skeletal catalysts like Rayney nickel are an inverse form of Casimir geometry with pit sizes in the same sweet spot for strong suppression of virtual particles as casimir plates. This was the first clue that lured me in to believing these claims regarding powders and skeletal cats like

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Findlay
Hi Fran, Raney Nickel would indeed appear to be perfect territory for Casimir effects to be taking place. But I'd need some therapeutic maths counselling to comment sensibly on any relativistic effects. Andy. On 16/05/13 19:58, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Also skeletal catalysts like Rayney

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Findlay
Yes, Terry, but note I was talking about anomalous heat. On 16/05/13 19:12, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote: I wonder if anyone has looked for anomalous heat in this process. Whether they look or not, they often find heat

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Andy, I heat it with H2 and looked for heat and radiation. I saw nothing unusual. I did not explore this in depth because I did not expect it to be active. Nevertheless, it might be active under other conditions I did not explore. I was more interested in other materials that were

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Findlay
Thanks, Ed. The implied question in my response to the original post was really directed more towards the actual process of producing Raney Nickel than what you can do with it thereafter. The chemical reaction is apparently strongly exothermic (in and of itself) and progresses faster at

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Edmund Storms
Fran and Andy, I have always wanted to ask someone who believes in the Casimir effect why they think the vacuum energy would be blocked by a thin wall of material. The vacuum energy is proposed to have a very large frequency, which normally would be expected to pass right through matter.

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Jones Beene
http://ecee.colorado.edu/~moddel/QEL/Papers/DmitriyevaModdel12.pdf Garret Moddel at Colorado has a patent application and has been looking for Casimir/ZPE heating for several years in nanocavities. Success has been marginal at best.

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: O'Malley's calculation determines the probability of getting N hits in N tries. It's just wrong. ***No, no no. How many times do we need to go through this for a skeptopath to acknowledge it? The calculation assumes N tries and N hits, and then

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Elsewhere I have argued that it is much more likely that an artifact mistaken as excess heat is correlated with high loading, or the conditions that produce high loading, than

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Jed: So you need only look at the positive results, and estimate the likelihood that every one of them was caused by incompetent researchers making mistakes. ***That is what I've been saying all along. Note how

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Again: . . . it is as if someone went ahead and rolled the dice 6*14,720 times and they yielded 14,720 hits. But along comes a skeptic who says that all of those hits were misreads. On 5/16/13, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I said: you're calculating the probability for

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So if the probability of a false positive is 1/3, and 1/3 of the tries are hits, then that is consistent with all the hits being false positives. How can you not get that? You are assuming that all hits are false positives. This makes no sense. There

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it's easy to imagine experiments that exclude artifacts, making them falsifiable. Yes, it is. And all of the mainstream experiments have excluded artifacts. That is why you and all the other skeptics have never identified a single

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote: Yes, Terry, but note I was talking about anomalous heat. Yeah, it was intended as a bit of humor.

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: And while I can't identify such an artifact, neither can you identify a nuclear reaction that fits the claims. I do not need to identify the reaction. The tritium and helium proves it is a nuclear reaction. The precise nature of it is irreverent.

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's still against the rules, no matter how polite and beliefs, which are against the rules. I think it is ok for someone to fall once or twice into the terrible sin of debunking. Debunkers are people too, and they

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: You are assuming that all hits are false positives. This makes no sense. There are 17,000 positives (false and real). If, as you say, only 1/3 of the tests work, that means there are 34,000 negative tests. This is partly a matter of semantics. We are defining false positive

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Then do we ban the debunker on the 3rd time? 4th time? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg80212.html On 5/16/13, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's still against the rules, no matter how

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-16 Thread John Berry
Actually skeptics (correctly called pseudo skeptics) are far worse than that. They even disbelieve things that can be explained by establishment dogma. I have heard that they disbelieved the effects of steroids initially despite evidence. And to this day vitamins and minerals are often ignored.

[Vo]:Polariton lasers

2013-05-16 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/350427/description/Low-energy_laser_makes_leap_toward_practicality *Low-energy laser makes leap toward practicality * Polariton lasers will be driven by electricity not light. This demonstrates that polaritons can at least produce coherent radiation

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a bigfoot believer making the same argument you make for cold fusion (from J Milstone): The sheer mass of reports alone should point to something of substance to the topics and it’s just as loony to believe that