On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:
1. The ß+ decay energy of Cu(x) Ni(x) + e+ + ve (2 -4 MeV) of each
decay step in the chain, causing the Ni/Cu powder to heat up.
I think the electron-positron annihilation photons from the radioactive
decay
The COP of the Fleischmann Pons Effect appears in two primary modes:
Barely Measurable (COP perhaps 10% or so over unity).
Obvious (COP frequently infinite and long-duration).
I've never seen a breakdown of the literature into these two categories,
yet it seems this is important for 2 reasons:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/NIWeekCravens.pdf
Cravens experiment was ongoing at infinite COP for 2.5 months before NI
Week, and he indicated that he would keep it going (that needs to be
confirmed).
If true, this one has been ongoing for almost 10 months at infinite COP.
How expensive is it to replicate?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/NIWeekCravens.pdf
Cravens experiment was ongoing at infinite COP for 2.5 months before NI
Week, and he indicated that he would keep it
it looks like the evidence that proved Radium ?
2014-03-22 15:14 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/NIWeekCravens.pdf
Cravens experiment was ongoing at infinite COP for 2.5 months before NI
Week, and he indicated that he would keep it
James,
The thread about the H-Cat, as an inexpensive but meaningful experiment in
its base-level incarnation - raised the possibility that an automotive
catalytic converter ($40 -$100) - filled with hydrogen. It could show a
steady temperature gain over ambient of more than Cravens' ongoing gain
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I've made this point before but it bears repeating that in a resource
starved field that is beset by inquisitorial true believers holding
positions of power . . .
Who are these inquisitorial true believers?!? What constitutes holding
power in this
Caveat:
There is no present indication that an automotive catalytic converter (CC)
will show thermal gain in an unpowered hydrogen experiment, similar to
Cravens work - but essentially there is a valid expectation of this result,
based on experiments going back to Arata... and it is easily
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I've made this point before but it bears repeating that in a resource
starved field that is beset by inquisitorial true believers holding
positions of power . . .
Who are
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
James,
The thread about the H-Cat, as an inexpensive but meaningful experiment in
its base-level incarnation - raised the possibility that an automotive
catalytic converter ($40 -$100) - filled with hydrogen
Don't you
Jones, let me try to simplify this suggestion. The LENR process requires a
special condition that is difficult to create in a material. Unless this
special condition is created (I call the NAE) no treatment will cause LENR.
This what 25 years of study of the effect has demonstrated and what
Jones etal--
SPIN IS THE CONTROLLING PARAMETER.
At page 3 of the Craven/Gimpel paper on their demonstrations at the NI 2013
convention, they state the following:
Notice the metal nano particles are held within 9 nm pores within carbon
particles matched to the expected blackbody radiation.
From: James Bowery
The thread about the H-Cat, as an inexpensive but meaningful
experiment in its base-level incarnation - raised the possibility that an
automotive catalytic converter ($40 -$100) - filled with hydrogen
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Consequently, a kit or test is useless unless the material has been made
active. We do not know how Rossi does this. We do not know how Cravens does
this. Until this knowledge is revealed and a material can be treated in a
way to make it active,
I agree that scientifically the affair is done since 1991-1992.
Since then there is effort to progress in reliability, intensity,
understanding...
the denial will only be resolved by mass adoption, of a working technology.
Turkey reality can only be proven on thanksgiving.
I know that LENR is
Jed--
Getting Cravens AND Gimpel is a good idea.
Do you know where Gimpel lives in Washington. He may be a neighbor of mine.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE
On Mar 22, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Consequently, a kit or test is useless unless the material has been made
active. We do not know how Rossi does this. We do not know how Cravens does
this. Until this knowledge is revealed and a
Ed,
Sorry, but once again, you are only half-right. It is fairly clear to anyone
who is paying close attention that you fear and will lobby against positive
results from any kind of democratic experimental effort - since it will
further marginalize your own theory if successful.
Ed's theory is
I just ran into trouble because I used the phrase true believers
properly. This is because the true true believers have captured the
phrase true believers to refer to scientists.
This kind of hypocritical projection is standard operating procedure in
religious and political circles.
To
Greetings from the MIT colloquium. As far as I know I may be the only Vortex
follower here so I will provide updates as long as my iPhone battery holds out
Saturday morning started with Dr Ahern. He presented the bittersweet tale
of a garage tinkerer from New Hampshire who called him up to
I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic
hydrogen gas.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Not for sale in California.
Well, that sucks... for me.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Once again Jones, you make the discussion personal by arrogant descriptions of
what you think I believe.
My description does not involve a theory, at least not at this stage. It is a
simple description of what has been observed by hundreds of experiments. You
are free to accept this
Install an electric arc or spark plug in one or both ends of the closed and
pressure sealed catalytic converter and proceed to spark as required.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of
The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby
Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously
Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a void
as far as the kilowatt output performers are concerned. Celani had
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Caveat:
There is no present indication that an automotive catalytic converter (CC)
will show thermal gain in an unpowered hydrogen experiment, similar to
Cravens work - but essentially there is a valid expectation of this
From: Kevin
I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic
hydrogen gas.
The nature of any spillover catalyst, and any CC is loaded with them, is
to convert H2 into monatomic nuclei. It will not be a gas per se, but proton
will attach to the catalyst.
BTW
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Once again Jones, you make the discussion personal by arrogant
descriptions of what you think I believe.
From my perspective, arrogance was not intended- and if seen, then it must
have been a result of mirroring of the initial comment, which as
does anybody know who is the angel?
2014-03-22 18:05 GMT+01:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com:
The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey.
Ruby Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings.
Curiously Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his
On Friday we had Dr Yasuhiro Iwamura. He's sucking deuterium gas through a
membrane containing palladium and a surface splotching of other elements lets
say cobalt. After the run he can demonstrate the presence of other elements
four eight or twelve atomic numbers above said cobalt, depending
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Caveat:
There is no present indication that an automotive catalytic converter (CC)
will show thermal gain in an unpowered hydrogen experiment, similar to
Cravens work - but essentially there is a valid expectation of this result,
based on
A good guess would be STM. He mentions them often.
From: Alain Sepeda
does anybody know who is the angel?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at
the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways,
but getting the right size is the problem.
Might there be a
Let me say this again as simply and as unambiguously as possible. LENR has been
studied for 24 years. Hundreds of papers describing the behavior and the
required conditions have been published. This data set shows what is required
and what does not work. My comments are not a theory. I'm simply
Terry, you need to now that Arata explored many sources of palladium black
before be found one that worked. He never revealed his source or what made the
particular batch active. Dissociation, loading and liquids are not the
essential requirements. An essential requirement exists in a
Alain and Jones--
I thought of STM also. I own 1000 shares of that stock even though it is
Swiss..
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:MIT colloquium
A good guess would be STM. He
Steve:
Just want to thank you, as I think all Vorts do, for providing the updates
from MIT...
The 150 attendance is good to see...
B Well,
-Mark Iverson
-Original Message-
From: Steve High [mailto:diamondweb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:05 AM
To: Vortex
Subject:
There, there... Terry
pat, pat, pat
It's all gonna be ok...
:-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:10 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jones Beene
James--
I agree. In fact that may be desirable to make a metal lattice with differing
size voids so that close by reactions do not damage the overall lattice by
adding too much heat in one spot. I other words designing the lattice with a
low percentage of potentially active voids.
Bob
Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size
in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give
enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the
occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer
Angel described as a private financier. No word on wings
Steve High
On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
does anybody know who is the angel?
2014-03-22 18:05 GMT+01:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com:
The event is well attended. I would estimate
First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being represented by a young
Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh surface prepped by exposure to
plasma discharge. Reactor consists of prepped nickel mesh heated by resistance
with pressurized deuterium gas. The device able to measure the
If you are running a Cravens style simultaneous, colocated control
experiment with infinite COP your odds of detecting a tiny temperature
difference economically are vastly improved. Basically you just integrate
the voltage out of a bimetallic (thermocoupling) wall separating the
treated material
James, I feel much more comfortable using a calorimeter design I can trust and
that has been used in the past. The Cravens device is a nice demonstration but
it proves nothing. I have made calorimeters that do the job much better and
give absolute values for power. No need exists to reinvent.
Ed, I'm attacking a different problem: Cost.
Since we're in a quasi-Edisonian phase of scientific research, keeping the
cost per experiment as low as possible seems to be the bottleneck to
getting a protocol that has reproduces the FPE to any statistically
significant degree.
Developing a
Perhaps I can illustrate by avoiding thermal detection and going with
tritium:
Since tritium production is inherently time integrated, setting up a
Cravens style dual experiment with a one treated to have a wide range of
crack sizes, and both identical in all other respects, puts the primary
cost
Ed--
Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic
associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population.
Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.
Bob
From: Edmund Storms
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc:
So am I. A person gets what they pay for. It proves nothing if a person claims
to see heat using a method that no one will accept as showing excess energy no
matter how cheap the method. That has been a major problem in getting LENR
accepted in the first place. If heating power is sought, it
Tritium can not be detected easily using a beta detector. The best way is to
convert the gas to water and measure the tritium using the scintillation
metaod. The allows the sample to be studied over a period of time by many
people if they wish.
Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:02 PM, James
Nikita Alexandrov. Looks to be 27 and president of permanetixcorp. Has a scheme
for mass screening of sputtered potential LENR materials. His company has a
device that can be placed inside a reaction vessel to capture in real time soft
ionizing radiation. Take home: exactly the kind of young
Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their
function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the
crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an
explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf.
Is there a paper describing the technique(s) for generating a wide
distribution of crack sizes?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Tritium can not be detected easily using a beta detector. The best way is
to convert the gas to water and measure the
I know of no single paper that describes how cracks are formed. However, a huge
literature exists that describe how cracks are produced in materials and how
this destructive process can be avoided. I have 69 papers in my collection that
address this issue. Unless you are prepared to do a lot
I may have inadequately expressed what I was looking for:
A technique to generate, in a single sample, a wide and relatively flat
(very low kurtosis) distribution of crack sizes (and a large number of such
cracks of course).
This, as opposed to a wide array of techniques, each of which generates
If I had such a method, I would first write a patent. Unfortunately, that is
the method we are trying to find. I can make cracks anytime I want but I can
not make the most effective distribution at will, although I get lucky
sometimes.
Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:58 PM, James Bowery
Someone asked about crack formation. What work I have done was to
prevent them rather than make them.
Basically you heat the object up and then cool the surface sufficiently
rapidly that a tensile stress is created that exceeds the tensile
strength of the material. Much easier to do with
Dear Ed,
The most dangerous aspect of the addiction of CF to cracks is that caracks
are destroying the active material, so technologically speaking the crack
theory is a death sentence. It can be true for palladium, but less noble
transition metals are working hopefully in a different way. PdD
It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphous_metal
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:45 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Someone asked about crack formation. What work I have done was to
prevent them rather than make them.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be
produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than
the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust
at it.
Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle
Perter, what you say is not true based on my understanding. Cracks can be made
stable. However, LENR does have a lifetime problem that will limit the upper
temperature and/or the time before the active material has to replaced.
Yes, I know that some people including yourself think PdD and NiH
Regarding this post:
There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be
produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than
the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust
at it.
Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a
Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of
us knows how Rossi does this. Your guesses are not useful.
I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see
the difference?
Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
beyond cracks , maybe is there some topological defect, longitudinal
defects, crystallographic-phase change planes...
is there document about hydroton.
naively among possibilities I imagine a circular hydroton ring and thing
about a superconductor.. to explain magnetic fields.
maybe stupid...
James Bowery
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22
Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:49 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140322
It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
Yes, I imagine
Alain, you can find the description of the Hydroton at
http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-presentation-videos-monday-july-22/
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
beyond cracks , maybe is there some topological defect,
Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with
something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is
controlled through the application of heat.
Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in
one unit that has a very low Q and
More...
The Rossi reaction is a two step operation where the mouse produces NAEs
and the Cat consumes these NAEs that are mobile one currents of hydrogen.
How else can it work???
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse
Axil and Ed—
I do not admit to understanding the effect of temperature in detail. However,
I do consider temperature will change the magnitude of magnetic fields in the
lattice and the vibrational frequencies of the lattice depending upon local
geometry. The latter would effect how the
...@verizon.net wrote:
James
Boweryhttp://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22
Sat,
22 Mar 2014 14:14:49
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It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
Yes
Ed—
I did not say temperature was the source of cracks. I said it may help expand
the useful crack populational. This could happen by changing the vibrational
frequency of any given crack structure closer to its resonant frequency,
making LENR at that crack likely.
Bob
From: Edmund Storms
Ed--
What about crack orientation; is it more important than size when a magnetic
field is present?
Bob
From: Edmund Storms
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE
If I had such a method, I would first write a
2014 14:14:49
-0700http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140322
It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
Yes, I imagine abrasion would cause lots of surface cracks on an amorphous
metal - if it behaves like glass.
I had wondered
Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote:
First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being represented by a young
Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh surface prepped by exposure
to plasma discharge.
I believe this is a continuation of the work described here:
From: Jed Rothwell
Steve High wrote:
First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being
represented by a young Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh
surface prepped by exposure to plasma discharge.
2014 14:14:49 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140322
It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
Yes, I imagine abrasion would cause lots of surface cracks on an amorphous
metal - if it behaves like glass.
I had wondered
This method produces nanoparticles by bombarding the electrodes with
electrons during ~30 hours of glow discharge. The nanoparticles are created *in
situ *in electrodes. The electrodes have already been cleaned and
purified...
The particle size and number of particles is controlled by varying the
Of course nanoparticles have unusual chemical and physical properties. The
question is , Are these properties able to initiate a nuclear reaction? A huge
ignorance exists about the difference between a nuclear reaction and a chemical
change. You would do well to actually study some nuclear
=date:20140322
It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research.
Yes, I imagine abrasion would cause lots of surface cracks on an amorphous
metal - if it behaves like glass.
I had wondered in the past whether the surface preparation of the palladium
electrodes
10s of watts, 100s of watts, 100s of watts watts watts everywhere but
not an input so I guess we're talking infinite COP because no one would
report just output alone unless the input was zero, would they?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Of course nanoparticles have unusual chemical and physical properties. The
question is , Are these properties able to initiate a nuclear reaction? A
huge ignorance exists about the difference between a nuclear reaction and a
chemical change. You would do well to actually
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140311/ncomms4452/full/ncomms4452.html
Abstract*
Bose-Einstein condensation of quasi-particles such as excitons, polaritons,
magnons and photons is a fascinating quantum mechanical phenomenon. Unlike
the Bose-Einstein condensation of real particles (like atoms),
This is tantamount to portraying the scientific method as a belief on the
same par as someone who is impervious to experimental evidence.
***Yup. Scientism, which is rapidly becoming a world wide religion. The
crazy thing is, when LENR breaks out, huge swaths of populations (fueled by
the
Ed stated:
Of course nanoparticles have unusual chemical and physical properties.
The question is , Are these properties able to initiate a nuclear reaction? A
huge ignorance exists about the difference between a nuclear reaction and a
chemical change. You would do well to actually study
Kevin--
This is what is called the 100th monkey principle.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Kevin O'Malley
To: vortex-l
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:True Believers and Belief Networks
This is tantamount to portraying the scientific method as a
[image: Monkeys]
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Kevin--
This is what is called the 100th monkey principle.
Bob
- Original Message -
*From:* Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, March
[image: Monkeys]
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:39 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
[image: Monkeys]
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.comwrote:
Kevin--
This is what is called the 100th monkey principle.
Bob
- Original Message -
*From:*
Suppose only 2% of the material in a catalytic converter has the NAE
capable of producing the putative excess heat. Since a catalytic converter
contains so much more potentially NAE than a familiar CF cell it is like
running a thousand CF cells at the same time of which only twenty produce
excess
Bob, I know very well about muon fusion. If you took the time to read my
papers, you would understand not only do I understand but you have no idea what
you are talking about. The muon produces hot fusion, not cold fusion. The
process has no relationship to cold fusion.
I have tried to be
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/22/5535022/stanford-opening-new-lab-to-study-bad-science
Stanford opening new lab to study bad science
An epidemiologist famously wrote in 2005 Why most published research
findings are
A true loss. I doubt anything I said contributed to his departure because
I was genuinely seeking his guidance since he, unlike many here, seemed
willing to discuss the economic particulars of experimental tests of his
direction. No matter what you may think of his direction, his willingness
to
Bob:
Not even close.
The story as told by Watson and Keyes is popular among New
Agehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ageauthors and personal
growth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_growth gurus and has become
an urban legend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legend and part of New
Age
Look what kind of trouble you caused -- Ed Storms just unsubscribed, on
Vortex-L it shows up in this thread. What did you or any of us say that
pissed him off?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Kevin--
This is what is called the 100th monkey
, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net
wrote:
James
Boweryhttp://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22
Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:49
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It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue
Jones:
Thanks for the informative heads up about spillover.
What I would need is to know how much H1 monoatomic gas I'm feeding into
the system. It would not have to be exact, it would just have to be within
3 to 5%.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It goes to vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
Kevin--
I guess my characterization of Scientism was a little unCooked.
My apology,
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Kevin O'Malley
To: vortex-l
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:True Believers and Belief Networks
Bob:
Not even close.
The
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* H Veeder
...two steel ball bearings welded together ... are a metaphorical
cooper-pair, so to speak... raising another weird question: is there
something about spherical-pairing alone, which is special - at
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