[Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
it seems some edition are happening on wold fusion wiki seems aggressive: ...conferences. The first International Conference on Cold Fusion (*ICCF*) was held in 1990, and has met every 12 to 18 months since. Attendees offered no criticism to papers and presentations for fear of...

[Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated fission driven by inverse fractionation.

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Teslaalset
I lost that data in my memory indeed. Thanks for refreshing it. Do you have a public reference on fusion of odd count nuleons not fusing? I respect your knowledge but like to understand this a bit better. It looks like there are many variaties possible. Looks like much is depending on what

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Teslaalset
Eric, on the little info I could find in public domain, I understand that ß+ decay happens within the nucleus. Are you saying that there are quite some exceptions? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Teslaalset

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Larry Forsley: an asset to LENR because he comes from hot fusion world. He is not afraid of neutrons and saw quite a lot of them when he placed CR39 detector in close proximity to codeposition produced palladium LENR reactor. Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri granite fracture experiments seeing neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent LENR associated

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Mazel Tov! - Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT: What if we live in a simulated reality?

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking about beliefs and belief networks, today being an appropriate reminder (both at MIT, and in a facility near you) - there was a post from a few days ago which deserves comment: From: Blaze Spinnaker

[Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement

2014-03-23 Thread Teslaalset
The topic of creating the right NAEs touches my recent querries for optimizing Nickel embrittlement. There's lots of info available in the public and scientific domain on reducing embrittlement of Nickel, hinting at some of the main possible causes. Some of those causes: - Copper - Nickel

Re: [Vo]:OT: What if we live in a simulated reality?

2014-03-23 Thread ChemE Stewart
Amazing On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking about beliefs and belief networks, today being an appropriate reminder (both at MIT, and in a facility near you) - there was a post from a few days ago which deserves comment:

Re: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Harry and Jones-- You two do what I would call out of the box thinking on this issue--I wonder where Axil is. More thoughts: 1. There have been two different coupling experiments I seen--one where the balls are fused and the other where the balls are magnetically coupled. They both

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement

2014-03-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
you can add to that the observation by ENEA that 100 structure of the surface (can someone explain me... it seems meaning just that cutting is done parallel to the cube facets) https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36833/ExcessPowerDuringElectrochemical.pdf?sequence=1

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is especially hilarious in view of the ICCF18 conference, where the second keynote speaker roundly insulted Iwamura and several other leading researchers, and at my luncheon presentation I described a major experiment as tuning a piano with a sledgehammer. It turned out that Steve Jones, the

RE: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook I think I have a good science fair project for a grandson. A little high tech monitoring equipment is all that is necessary. Maybe NI would be interested in loaning the instruments. A transient change in the temperature of the ball and the surface upon which they spin would

Re: [Vo]:OT: What if we live in a simulated reality?

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
All you need to do is be a Pantheist to settle the questions that arises between scientists and theists. Pantheism--the doctrine that the natural laws that govern matter and energy and whatever else there is (and may change with time as we know it) taken together are god. However, there is

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
John C Fisher. Undergraduate at MIT in the forties!!! He says he's he solved the LENR quandary with polyneutron theory. A clump of naked neutrons sitting in lattice. Absorbs deuterium atoms and spits out hydrogen atoms plus energy. (Then the hydrogen atoms recombine to hydrogen molecules) A

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning! Congratulations, grandpa. How many does that make? (I have four.)

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Hagelstein said a bubble chamber across the lab turned cloudy-after the neutrons traversed his midsection. There was no earthquake to cloudify the chamber. He's satisfied it is real Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Steve High

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
First time for me and my boys are in their thirties. Hope restored Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant.

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I put that comment in the Wikipedia talk section. Someone named McSly deleted it within minutes, saying: (Revert. User is topic banned). Those people stay on their toes! Here is what I wrote: No criticism to papers and

RE: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. Since when? Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Got it. Well nobody in the audience challenged his response, perhaps out of deference. Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Steve High Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Alain etal.-- This paper by Duncan etal. from ICCF-18 identified by Alain remind me of an experience involving stress corrosion in Ni-Cr-Fe alloy 600 over 40 years ago. The material specification being used to procure the Ni-Cr-Fe material did not control the concentration of Niobium. It was

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Alan Fletcher
I changed that line to : Attendees at some of the early conferences were described as offering no criticism to papers and presentations for fear of giving ammunition to external critics ... The refs about that are to Parks and Hzuigenda (sp) -- I have an early Hzuigenda edition (200 miles

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Actually Fisher challenged the audience to name the theory that explains the binding of a deuteron and no hands were raised. I am a doctor of humans and not fisicks so I will defer further comment on the matter to you. The word for polyneutrons that I heard in the men's washroom was unobservium

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Steve-- Gluons would mediated the force holding neutrons together. They do it for protons and neutrons in a nucleus. Is there a good model of the gluon wave function and what its dimensional influence might be? A neutron is a Fermi particle I think. The group of neutrons could be no

RE: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
Here is Fisher's theory. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FisherJCpolyneutroa.pdf It is hard to take seriously since he fails to adequately address the lack of gamma radiation. However, as a firm believer in many routes to thermal gain this could be one more which has some relevance.

Re: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I have just established a separate Vortex-1 file for possible science fair projects. Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor From:

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Bob Smith says the ideal configuration for an LENR reactor would be a Menger Sponge a fractal affair with infinite surface area and well-configured for cooling. Not sure how to add a link for sponge image but it looks like it would be comfortable in an MC Escher sketchbook Steve High

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- What would you expect to happen, if I put the note in talk section of Wikipedia? Would I also be banned to comment on the topic? Bob - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Re: Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model? Loads of 14MEV (or was it 1.4?) shooting every which way as I recall Steve High On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model?

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
I think a little mass lead, for example. will pretty well shield the 511 ev x-rays coming from Beta+/electron annihilation. Rossi had such shielding in his earlier E-Cat design. Bob - Original Message - From: Teslaalset To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

2014-03-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Smith says the ideal configuration for an LENR reactor would be a Menger Sponge a fractal affair with infinite surface area and well-configured for cooling. Not sure how to add a link for sponge image but it looks

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

2014-03-23 Thread Teslaalset
Looks like trying to find a needle in a haystack ;). It is indeed known that Hydrogen penetration is concentrated around grain boundaries. Crystallisation may play a role, however both Defkalion and Rossi's reactors are able to be turned off and on. In particular Rossi shows that his reactor seems

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia cold fusion under edition

2014-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: What would you expect to happen, if I put the note in talk section of Wikipedia? Would I also be banned to comment on the topic? First they erase your messages. If you keep posting messages, they ban you.

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- I think the key to looking for beta+/beta- annihilation is to do co-incident counting in detectors looking for photons coming in opposite directions (from a single point) and to look for radiation of any wave length and above--say 50 ev. The annihilation photons come off back-to-back.

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: Eric, on the little info I could find in public domain, I understand that ß+ decay happens within the nucleus. Are you saying that there are quite some exceptions? Perhaps Robin or Bob can correct me if I'm wrong,

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
Your description is exactly as I understand it. The random walk is not very long however, since it probably occurs at the first electron it attracts and that is pretty quick after the nucleus gives it up. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Until they get to real low energies they mostly move in a straight line. Thus even shielding will not destroy the coincident events that detectors will record. Interesting; I didn't realize that. Somewhere I got the

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

2014-03-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: Celani holds a patent application that combines oxidation and adding a silicate layer to significantly speed up absorption of Hydrogen. His process also includes rapid cooling, creating small grain sizes during

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
To conserve momentum and spin they go off in opposite directions and polarized in opposite directions so that the net spin is 0 as well as the linear momentum of the two photons.. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014

[Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
Here is some more information which comes out of the MIT colloquium on what could be a major advance in the making. This information is third hand, so it needs to be confirmed. Let's hope that Jed can use his considerable influence to get hold of this paper, which is an update and significant

[Vo]:Goodnight from the MIT colloquium

2014-03-23 Thread Steve High
Well the conference is over and I would like to tell you about the serious emotions that bubbled up at the end. Dr Hagelstein had the last word and he wished to observe that today was the 25th anniversary of the Pons and Fleischmann announcement. I've noticed before that he tends to have a

RE: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
This appears to be the new venture which is sponsoring Dr Mizuno's work these days... http://cleanplanet.co.jp/ourTeam.php?lang=en Apparently Mr Igari presented for Mizuno. He was said to be very impressive and informed about the details. It is said that one the wealthiest men in Japan is

Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

2014-03-23 Thread Axil Axil
DGT is also a validation of Rossi, don't you think? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This appears to be the new venture which is sponsoring Dr Mizuno's work these days... http://cleanplanet.co.jp/ourTeam.php?lang=en Apparently Mr Igari presented for

[Vo]:Art Exhibition: The Potato Eaters Discover Cold Fusion

2014-03-23 Thread H Veeder
This article is about a current art exhibition called The Potato Eaters Discover Cold Fusion. The Potato Eaters is a painting by Van Gogh. The artist does not seem to know anything about the ongoing CF research. In his paintings he contemplates the modernist utopian dream of cheap nuclear power

Re: [Vo]:Art Exhibition: The Potato Eaters Discover Cold Fusion

2014-03-23 Thread H Veeder
Sorry, I accidentally inserted a space in the first link so it won't work. This is the correct link http://www.leftlion.co.uk/articles.cfm/title/the-potato-eaters-discover-cold- fusion/id/6548#.Uy-m2vldWSq Harry On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:55 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: This

Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

2014-03-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ...not to mention the validation of Rossi - who may have already witnessed the higher power and higher COP, but we cannot be sure of Rossi - whereas this looks solid and professional. I'm glad to see that Mizuno might be

RE: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

2014-03-23 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil DGT is also a validation of Rossi, don't you think? Possibly, but no one knows. They have presented interesting claims, especially the magnetic claim - but the scientific data is basically limited to one joint paper in which Kim says he did not actually validate the data.

Re: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor

2014-03-23 Thread H Veeder
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Harry and Jones-- You two do what I would call out of the box thinking on this issue--I wonder where Axil is. More thoughts: 1. There have been two different coupling experiments I seen--one where the balls are

Re: [Vo]:Hurricane balls, RAR and high-Q factor

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Cook
The link to the Hurricane balls slow motion movie is also interesting. The two fused balls start out rotating with each ball on the surface but shift to a position where only one ball is on the surface and the other attached ball rotates somewhat above the surface. It looks like a coupling