2014-03-24 22:15 GMT+01:00 George Holz geh...@optonline.net:
misunderstood
about the possibility that neutrons may be ignored because of coincidence,
we should remind the unavoidable proof by the intern
if people survived beside LENR cells, even if there is no working neutron
detector, they
See:
http://coldfusionnow.org/2014-cflanr-colloquium-at-mit-audio-files/
Regarding Yoshida's presentation of Mizuno's results, I still do not have
the slides. It is difficult to follow the lecture without them. I gather
they are getting 70 W excess. They are building two new reactors, a 1 kW
From: Kevin O'Malley
All of them would need to convert heat to electricity. That means a
Stirling engine, unless you believe the guys at Deuo Dynamics who have a
direct thermoelectric conversion in their LENR diode.
Which Stirling Engine is the best?
Cyclone Power? They have Dr.
I think a small steam turbine would be a better choice for the first
generation cold fusion devices. Such as:
http://www.greenturbine.eu/en/product.php
Later, perhaps much later, thermoelectric devices will be the best choice.
Stirling engine technology never seems to mature. NASA was
David Roberson wrote:
It seems odd that they would work toward enhancing a jet engine instead of
producing the power plant directly.
Dave - Not really odd when you follow the buck.
DoE takes time to fund. And politics are involved. Even the best idea is a year
away with many
Morning Jed. It just occurred to me that Ruby and Jeremy from Coldfusion Now
were capturing images of all the slides with a camera or video recorder. You
might contact them and get to the bottom of this faster
Steve High
On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
produced via external pumping that keep the quasiparticle excited. Such pumping
can create remarkably high effective temperatures in a narrow spectral region
of the lowest energy states in a quasiparticle gas, resulting in strikingly
unexpected transitional dynamics of Bose–Einstein
ORC makes more sense than steam.
There are small ORC systems (Organic Rankine cycle) which are available now
from several suppliers.
This is both a short and long term solution for application to LENR.
From: Jed Rothwell
I think a small steam turbine would be a better choice for
Here is Krivit’s interview but it happened back at the end of 2011, so it may
not be relevant to that possibility (that Rossi switched to a jet engine in
order to get rapid funding from DARPA)
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/Intel/Krivit-LENR-Interview-For-IARPA.pdf
It seems
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to
overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an
electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a
magnetic component of force is active along with the electric
Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate
of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated
with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think
that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be
electromagnetic moat
Harry
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is
to overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as
an electromagnetic barrier instead.
From: David Roberson
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to
overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an
electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that
a magnetic component of force is active along
Thats a common mistake. We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static
force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The
static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range.
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin
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From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:00 pm
Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Nuclear physicists limit themselves to two bodied problems and don't seem to
understand collective motions.
Electrical
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems odd that they would work toward
Eric--
I think that the first step is to marry the reactor to an existing jet engine
that could operate without the LENR boost. Once the reliability of the LENR is
established then the technology could evolve into a LENR only power source.
The redundancy would be desirable from a safety
I understand that a steady magnetic field can not add energy to a charged
particle. It can redirect the velocity vector of that particle but can not
directly add energy to it somewhat like the behavior of an electron beam that
is bent by a magnetic field so that it moves against a fixed
Rossi came up with his hot cat design pretty quick. It seems from my
recollection that there was never a significant lead up to the announcement.
Available bucks could have been the answer.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Dave--
You're preaching to the choir.
Bob
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From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:39 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to
overcome
Ruby's vids are showing up on her youtube channel. Two so far.
Dave--
Is your concept of coherence changing? Frank is providing a cause for expanded
scope (size) of coherence in my mind.
Thanks Frank.
Bob
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From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re:
Good point Bob.
BTW – as to further HotCat possibilities – how many remember one of the
original drones which goes back 50 years ? … and which design could be notable
for this thread since it was a ram-jet configuration. Only a few of the
Lockheed D-21 were built. It would fly very high
Ruby added some photos of Mizuno's slides:
http://coldfusionnow.org/2014-cflanr-colloquium-at-mit-audio-files/
One of them says --
Summary: Excess Heat
Produced excess heat
* Using Nickel nano-particles and D2 gas
* For over 1 month
* Excess Heat = 75 Watt (COP = 1.9)
* Excess Energy = 108 MJ
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.1593.pdf
*Experimental study of the two-body spin-orbit force*
This field is on the cutting edge of research.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Frank--
You noted:
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is
Bob,
I do not understand your question. I still believe that a large magnetic field
is interacting with the individual small NAE in a manner that results in
positive feedback among them. The actual manner in which this interaction
occurs is evading me. As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic
Jones: Jed, Ruby etal.--
Jones, as you point out the left out details are more important than what's
presented in a paper.
My experience is that this happens often in Science.
In nuclear reactor design and operation as regulated by the NRC, leaving out
information or knowledge from
Hi all
I think Rossi's reference to Jet engines may be with regard to matters that
came up in the NASA seedling presentation, particularly the Brayton Cycle.
It took up a big chunk of the NASA report:
http://nari.arc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/SeedlingWELLS.pdf
I think a cloak of
Axil--
This is a great find--It appears there is not institution involved in this the
United States!
It must be nonsense if the Hot Fusion folks do not consider itSMILE.
Everyone interested in LENR effects should read it. It is not too complicated.
Bob
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Imagine this. What if the magnetic component of the electromagnetic field was
ignored. We would VanderGraphs, Winhurst motors, and fur rupped rods emitting
jumping sparks. We would not have employed the very strong magnetic force. No
generators, motors, electromagnets, or speakers would
Dave-
The note from Frank: The net effect is a growing field and energy release that
work together. The growing field involves a larger volume and coupling for
release of small packets of energy. Is this not a coherent system? The
coherency occurs as a characteristic of a bigger and bigger
From: Ian Walker
I think Rossi's reference to Jet engines may be with regard to matters that
came up in the NASA seedling presentation, particularly the Brayton Cycle.
It took up a big chunk of the NASA report:
http://nari.arc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/SeedlingWELLS.pdf
No! I did not say this. I am speaking about the magnetic component of the
strong nuclear force the spin orbit force. It is NOT electromagnetic, It does
not attract metal. It flips nucleons. I only used the electromagnetic force
in an analogy to show that the magnetic field conserves
note that in NASA presentation by Doug Wells, they mostly proposed Brayton
cycle turbine (jet) and not Rankine (steam/ORC)...
an engineer in turbines sould give his opinion here ...
I know some don't like Stirling...
2014-03-25 15:50 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Here is
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
aero-porn
Maybe a bit naive ... Current airport fueling systems could be removed
Bob
Now I understand what you mean by a coherent system in this case. I tend to
think of coherent systems in a different manner but can accept your definition.
We seem to be in agreement that a large guiding magnetic field enables the long
range coupling between NAE. I am still seeking how
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:49:12 -0700:
Hi Bob,
When a fast electron interacts with other electrons it does so through a
repulsive force, and imparts energy to them through collisions, knocking them
away from their host atoms, and leaving them with some kinetic energy.
Bob, et.al.:
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
-mark
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
By the way what does AFAIK stand for?
Bob
Dave--
In the paramagnet materials like Ni and Pd an external magnetic field induces a
much larger B field in the material. It is also aligned in one direction.
An oscillating external magnetic field would change the B field in some way,
increasing and decreasing it or reversing its
I should have guessed.
Thanks Mark and Robin. You can tell I am an old timer.
Bob
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From: MarkI-Zeropoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'
Bob, et.al.:
The hot fusion people know that the spin orbit force is there. They consider
it to be like the electromagnetic moment of the electron. Not of much use as
its range is too short.
They to not consider that the nuclear spin orbit force is not conserved and it
can increase in range and strength
This area of coulomb screening begs the question about how and why
screening happens. I say that the magnetic field affects the vacuum, what
happens to the vacuum depends on how strong the magnetic field is.
At its maximum intensity, an intense magnetic field will break the vacuum
down and
Alain Sepeda wrote:
about the possibility that neutrons may be ignored because of coincidence,
we should remind the unavoidable proof by the intern
-if people survived beside LENR cells, even if there is no working neutron
detector, they would be sick, if the branching ratio was usual free space
Hello Robin,
I am not good at magnetic forces and spin effect it is way above my
paygrade. However, when reading your latest comment I saw your link and
followed it.
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
I think this is a concept worthy as a starting point.
I have no idea about where you
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From: George Holz
One other point of interest. Tom Claytor's talk on Recent tritium
production from electrically pulsed wires and foils showed the highest
outputs when he used NiFe foils made for magnetic shielding applications. I
think he mentioned Co-Netic material.
The barrier is still there. Its like a rabbit trying to get over you garden
fence. The barrier stops it. You just step over it because the length of your
step exceeds that of the barrier. Over you go, no thump. The ONLY way the
Coulomb barrier can be crossed without emitting radiation,the
Frank--
I am somewhat confused by this comment:
I am speaking about the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force the
spin orbit force. It is NOT electromagnetic, It does not attract metal. It
flips nucleons. I only used the electromagnetic force in an analogy to show
that the
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/wikipedia-founder-calls-alt-medicine-practitioners-lunatic-charlatans/
Wikipedia founder calls alt-medicine practitioners lunatic charlatansWales
to activists who want new rules for Wikipedia: No, you have to be kidding
me.
Ars contacted Sanger about the
There seems to be a confluence of events that provide LENR with an
unprecedented opportunity to gain wide acceptance and deployment.
Just as war simulated the initial development of nuclear energy, a new
commercial and cold war between Russia and the West will stimulate the
rapid deployment of
I hope they do not resort to covert activity to prevent the deployment. This
should not be initiated unless LENR devices begin to show up in large numbers.
I suspect that the window will be relatively small and may not have any serious
impact.
After all, how much more effective can those
zoomable infrared color mosaic image of our entire galaxy, scanning all
directions, 20,000 MPx data showing half the stars, viewable on Net: Rich
Murray 2014.03.25
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