From the author: All charged bodies emit virtual photons. These are
emitted in pairs in the same direction with opposite momentum. This
conserves momentum on the charged body. The momentum of the photon is a
characteristic of the photon (like spin) and is independent of the
direction the photon
Then are we now adding the condition that the temperature needs to be above
800C in order to determine that Rossi is real???
We seem to be off the track of that subject. We've been talking about what
is the optimum engine technically to work with a LENR device. My question
is aimed at SWWAT--
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
Then are we now adding the condition that the temperature needs to be above
800C in order to determine that Rossi is real???
I was addressing the question of whether a Stirling engine would be
necessary or useful; I was
The Elforsk test gives me, personally speaking, sufficient information to
believe that Rossi is probably for real.
***Does that mean you think it's a 51% probability that Rossi is real?
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM,
This is my take on things.
In the first decades of the 20th century, physicists hotly debated how to
make sense of the strange phenomena of quantum mechanics, such as the
tendency of subatomic particles to behave like both particles and waves.
One early theory, called pilot-wave theory, proposed
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
***Does that mean you think it's a 51% probability that Rossi is real?
I don't know if I can quantify the feeling with so much precision. I'm on
the fence about the underlying premises of prediction markets. Perhaps
I haven't made up my mind one way or another, I want DGT to succeed as I've
always had a certain amount of belief in them despite their shortcomings,
but in regards to labeling Jed as biased, couldn't the same be said of you?
I.e. that it's comforting to think Gamberale is unfairly attacking and
From: Kevin O'Malley
…And my question hasn't really been answered -- If Rossi is
determined to be real, wouldn't a stock like CYPW take off? Are there
other public stocks that would skyrocket? Any steam engine stocks?
I think that this is a
Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come
by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite, our
best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason. What
good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially such a
Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come
by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite, our
best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason. What
good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially such a
Sorry Jones, this preceding post was not meant for you, it was miss-posted.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to
come by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite,
*our best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason.
What good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially
such a rich source of info.*
DGT isn't basing their decisions to release information to the public based
on what Jed thinks or has to say on the
This is in Italian but Google does a good job translating it:
Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end
http://www.nextme.it/scienza/energia/7700-fusione-fredda-intervista-cappiello-defkalion-europe
Quotes from Defkalion Europe managing director Franco Cappiello:
I would say that we
This interviewed and Gamberelli are related.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
As has been mentioned, we don't know much about Gamberale.
We do know a lot about him. Lewan has a link to his biography, and he just
added this to his blog:
Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the University
of Milan, and at
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come
by.
Yes, because Defkalion refused to publish anything. Now that Gamberale has
published and Xanthoulis, the president of Defkalion confirmed him, we have
all experimental
Where did you get that Defkalion Europe was a joint venture?
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by Dr. Kim with
DGT for ICCF conferences. Have you read any of them?
Does Rossi produce like data?
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Experimental
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
This interviewed and Gamberelli are related.
I do not see any relevance. Anyway, Defkalion president Xanthoulis is not
related to either of these people, and he stated clearly that the flow rate
was wrong and the flow calorimetry was wrong. If you do
The method was used established a low bound, that COP would be at least 1.
You are like asking me when I will stop beating my wife.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
I judge the MIT conference that DGT pulled out of as a sign of disgust with
the powers that be in the LENR field and the first step at going dark to
them for DGT.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by Dr. Kim with
DGT for ICCF conferences. Have you read any of them?
Kim based his statements on data from Defkalion, showing excess heat. That
data was completely wrong. It was either a mistake or
Ron, Although I remain skeptical about the claims I do wonder if the
electrolytic nature of the reactor may provide negative feedback to the
reaction such that the hydrogen population is self limiting [since they are
claiming most of the population is being self produced]which would allow
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I judge the MIT conference that DGT pulled out of as a sign of disgust with
the powers that be in the LENR field and the first step at going dark to
them for DGT.
They pulled out because they knew this scandal would soon break. They knew
the jig was up.
I
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
The method was used established a low bound, that COP would be at least 1.
You are like asking me when I will stop beating my wife.
This method cannot measure the difference between a flow rate of 1 liter
per minute and zero!!! The lower bound was
If you remember, John H said that in the !CCF-18 demo, the output
of reactor was steam but was reckoned as if it was 212 degree water to
establish a minimum COP level.
Is this what is bothering you (Jed) now?
It might have been better if DGT used a collapsible 1000 gallon solar water
tank as a
My version of the story is completely different, but involves 2
controversial people. I hope you did not get the information from them!
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
The best part it is that the whole story is out there on the intertubes,
for anyone to see! But, it is coded speech, so you won't find it.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
DGT was producing steam, not 212 water. The change of state energy from
water to steam was not reflected in the COP calculations. Yes this is
inaccurate, but gross under estimate of the COP. I am depending on memory,
correct me if I have erred.
Jed, you are whipping yourselfer into a frenzy of
Recombination shoud read Recrimination.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
DGT was producing steam, not 212 water. The change of state energy from
water to steam was not reflected in the COP calculations. Yes this is
inaccurate, but gross under estimate of
Mark--
Your noted the following:
The individual oscillators WANT to be at their fundamental frequencies, but
quanta of heat energy are being absorbed and emitted constantly, so none of
your neighboring atoms/electrons are ever in sync with yours.
I think that most infra red radiation
Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the University of
Milan, and at the Milan based Pirelli Labs he has further developed the
theoretical work in coherent electrodynamics by his countryman, late Dr.
Giuliano Preparata. Among his experimental work he has been assessing
The level of competence needed to verify the claimed error is not much
higher than of a plumber. But, you don't know the staff of DGT to make such
claim.
2014-05-16 13:07 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Gamberale’s level of competence surpasses the entire staff of DGT by
an
*Judas Iscariot* was said to be the brightest of the 12 apostates, but the
least trustworthy.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the
University of Milan, and at the Milan based Pirelli Labs he
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, you are whipping yourselfer into a frenzy of [recrimination].
Pot, meet kettle.
The right word might be crimination. I don't believe that I am meeting the
spirit of Jed's responces as follows:
1. to charge with a crime.
2. to incriminate.
3. to censure (something) as criminal: condemn
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri,
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
***Does that mean you think it's a 51% probability that Rossi is real?
I don't know if I can quantify the feeling with so much precision.
You people know that Kim is doing consulting for CYPW, right? And that its
headquarters are 40min away from Rossi's hom... HQ of Leonardo corporation.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
My problem is that I don't know how to short oil. I agree that this would
be preferential because it is probably far more liquid and one could wait
until the very last minute. For instance, we all know that most of the
world is ignoring LENR news. As soon as that independent report is
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Judas Iscariot was said to be the brightest of the 12 apostates, but the
least trustworthy.
Just the opposite, according to the Gnostic Gospel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
DGT was producing steam, not 212 water.
They were producing a little steam because there was no water flowing into
the cell.
The change of state energy from water to steam was not reflected in the
COP calculations. Yes this is inaccurate, but gross under
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
The level of competence needed to verify the claimed error is not much
higher than of a plumber.
Not higher at all. Any plumber on earth could have verified it in 10
minutes. That is exactly what plumbers do when they test boilers. You can
see that in
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The right word might be crimination. I don't believe that I am meeting the
spirit of Jed's responces as follows:
1. to charge with a crime.
2. to incriminate.
3. to censure (something) as criminal: condemn
Franco Cappiello implied they are criminals, or
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
We have mentioned this company before, going back several years, which
unfortunately has a similar name as the failed Stirling company and may not
be publicly traded - but there are 3-4 others in ORC (and I am a terrible
The problem is... Y.E. Kim appears to have moved forward on data from
Defkalion without verifying that their device works. He could have done
the same thing with Cyclone.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
You people know that Kim is doing consulting
I wrote:
I heard from Mike Nelson today, and confirmed that is what it was. More
extensive tests were needed. DE finally did these extensive tests, and now
we know the facts.
I mean that Mike Nelson said More extensive tests were needed.
Lewan described Nelson's report:
The report was
Cyclone doesn't do CF, they said that on their facebook page. I meant Kim
could be with Rossi.
2014-05-16 15:26 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com:
He could have done the same thing with Cyclone.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
Maybe DGT made a mistake with a hose!
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Where did you get that Defkalion Europe was a joint venture?
The Gamberale report:
In November 2012 an Italian company based in Milan and named Mose srl
signed an exclusive contract for the european industrial development of
this technology. This
Right, so they sign a business without even knowing what they were getting
into? Complete transfer of technology? This is full of bull.
2014-05-16 16:11 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, so they sign a business without even knowing what they were getting
into? Complete transfer of technology? This is full of bull.
How do you know? Did you read the contract?
Do you think they could perform industrial development without a
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700:
Hi,
Nucleons are little magnets. Different orientations mean differing amounts of
magnetic energy, hence different energy states for the nucleus as a whole.
Obviously there is one combination of orientations which is less
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin--
You stated: Different combinations of spin states show up as excited
states of the nucleus.
Usually these relax to the ground state in short order with emission of a
gamma
ray.
BTW, I should have said one or
Here's an example of some early-adopter money starting to move into this
space. The problem is, it's not available to just anyone, and in
particular, they already closed it off for this fund.
http://form-d.findthebest.com/l/162985/Lenr-Invest-Fund-I-LLC
Lenr-Invest Fund I, LLC, which is in the
There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better
certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign. You said even a
plumber could do that. So, before signing they were naive and just got
slightly below the level of expertise of a plubler after the signing and
just a
He never took part after this incident.
2014-05-16 19:14 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better
certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign. You said even a
plumber could do that. So, before signing
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better
certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign.
I agree! I wouldn't have signed. Or, as I said, when Gamberale was in
Vancouver he should have test the flow rate.
You
Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive? Is Cyclone also naive?
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Well, I must admit, Cyclone is only slightly naive, but still...
2014-05-16 21:59 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive? Is Cyclone also naive?
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive?
Yes, unfortunately, he is, in my opinion. This is not the first time he
accepted a result without careful consideration, and without sufficient
proof.
- Jed
I wish you'd believe me he did not get the result in that way. :)
Oh, well, what can I do! That's life! Beggars are not choosers! Hehe! But
did I learn a lot of physics and I will always be thankful, despite
whatever the outcome of this story is!
2014-05-16 22:49 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell
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