Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread John Berry
I think they have Eric, if you put a bunch of photons in a reflective box, the resistance to acceleration of the box is increased by the presence of the photons just consider the blue/red shifting of the energy of the reflecting photons. And I believe it is considered likely that photons also

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:54 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would have been a surprise to find that nanovortices did not have mass since they obviously have energy. Mass is a tricky thing. Photons have no rest mass, for example, even though they can carry as much energy as you

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Cook
Eric Photons are never at rest as far as I know. They do carry momentum and when they interact impart momentum to rest mass items. In addition neutrinos are thought to have some mass and they are never at rest as far as I know. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Cook
- Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:vortex mass Dave-- That a correct assessment IMHO. In addition the idea that the energy associated with the decay of a vortex escapes the system as a high

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2015-02-03 Thread Rich Murray
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Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
Photons may not have rest mass, but they do carry momentum and energy. These parameters are at a magnitude determined by E=MC^2. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 11:42 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
There is something that keeps this from happening Eric. As you speed up from your frame of reference toward what you perceive as the frame of rest of the photon you will never catch up to it. It will always appear to be moving at the speed of light relative to you. As you move faster in the

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
I see evidence that what we refer to as electromagnetic fields actually have mass distributed throughout their spatial distribution. This is due in part to the calculations of the energy located within a field. If you recall fields studies during your college years one of the parameters that

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Photons are never at rest as far as I know. One question I have -- is there anything keeping them from being considered at rest within their own frame of reference? Eric

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread Axil Axil
https://carnegiescience.edu/news/cosmic_accounting_reveals_missing_light_crisis The extreme ultraviolet light source crisis could indicate LENR is the cause of both Dark Matter and Dark Energy. LENR could be blowing the universe apart with the production of all this XUV over the last few billion

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Umm . . . they spelled calibration wrong. It is unprofessional. Lugano Thermal Verification - Caibration

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
It just demonstrates that there is a lot to learn about physics. LENR is certainly going to open a lot of doors as it becomes better understood. It would have been a surprise to find that nanovortices did not have mass since they obviously have energy. Now someone could make a point that

[Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread a.ashfield
MFMP have laid out their schedule for testing the Rossi style high temperature E-Cat. *DogBone Week, Live Now* http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/446-dogbone-week-live-now Adrian Ashfield

[Vo]:an idea re Hot Cat replication

2015-02-03 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, The race of Hot Cat replication will be more and more diversified . This: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/02/how-i-have-replicated-hot-cat-once.html is my personal contribution, in the very spirit of the old Hungarian proverb: Only a fool dances better than he can! During the

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
I am following their comments as best I can. If they are using a waveform cutting circuit such as with SCR's then the fundamental current will be shifted in time as compared to one that is not cut up. I would measure the RMS voltage at 60 hertz, and read the fundamental 60 hertz current.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Higgins
There was a voltage multiplier set in the setup of the PCE that has been corrected. In-line measurements are being used to verify the setup of the PCE. I don't think they should be using the SCR controller - I would rather they use the variac. The load should be pretty much flat-on resistive

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Higgins
The PCE830 will take this into account for all of the harmonics automatically once it is setup properly. It should be a nearly perfectly resistive load until over 100kHz, which makes it only a small problem with using the inline meters. Once they have the PCE setup properly, then they are in

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
The guys performing the test are being tricked by the phase shift between the current and the supply voltage. A triac controller will cause that to happen. Can someone contact them directly and let them know that this may be the hangup. It is painful to watch them chasing this problem. I

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
They should celebrate their spell checker. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Umm . . . they spelled calibration wrong. It is unprofessional. Lugano Thermal Verification - Caibration

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
The variac is the best way to be sure of the results. Another alternative would be to measure the RMS current and square that and multiply by the load resisance. Even a chopped waveform will give accurate results with that method. The PCE830 is designed to take that into consideration unless

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread Bob Higgins
If only it could be that simple ... the wire resistance is changing as a function of temperature. For the Kanthal A1 wire, it is not changing too much though. But it is still a good and easy sanity check measurement. Bob On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule

2015-02-03 Thread David Roberson
Good point Bob. I always like to have sanity checks to back up main, important measurements. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP testing schedule If only it