Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
Is it uncommon ? I have seen such practice in many old PdD LENR papers, and in recent Ed Storms reports. This is something to promote fo replicators I imagine ? another (less common) practice is the servo-mode, popularized by michael McKubre in his closed cell isothermal flow calorimetry. I

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: > The simple and perhaps ideal calibration in these sorts of experiments is > to have a second heat source of some few or few tens of watts that can be > turned on intermittently. > A calibration on-the-fly. Good idea. I think we should suggest this to

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jack Cole wrote: It is an interesting result. They really need to do a calibration as a > comparison. > Yes, a calibration is essential. I think they need to do a lot of things, but I think this is more promising than the previous paper by Jiang. I like the way the inner and

RE: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Russ George
The simple and perhaps ideal calibration in these sorts of experiments is to have a second heat source of some few or few tens of watts that can be turned on intermittently. If the traces reveal the bumps from the added heat then the system becomes almost perfectly described. From: Jack

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jack Cole
Jed, It is an interesting result. They really need to do a calibration as a comparison. Jack On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > Jed, I am confused. This guy is not the same as the other group, who got >>

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Jed, I am confused. This guy is not the same as the other group, who got > problems with thermocouples, is it? > It is a different person at the same institute: China Institute of Atomic Energy, P.O. 275(49), Beijing 102413 (中国原子能科学研究院) The names are

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, I am confused. This guy is not the same as the other group, who got problems with thermocouples, is it? 2016-03-02 19:22 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > [image: Boxbe] This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup!

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear condinsation

2016-03-02 Thread Axil Axil
What is telling in understanding that binding energy is the critical quantity in the LENR nuclear equation is because Ni64 becomes Ni62. This happens because by giving up its nuclear energy to the condensate, its binding energy is increased and maximized as Ni62. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:51 PM,

[Vo]:Nuclear condinsation

2016-03-02 Thread Axil Axil
The results from Lugano are not useful in reverse engineering the LENR reaction at the initial rudimentary stage of analysis that MFMP is now. On the contrary, those Lugano results have led Rossi to a very advanced understanding of the LENR reaction. Rossi said that the Lugano results inspired him

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > (6 bar = 0.6 MPa. This table shows hydrogen density at 1 MPa at 25°C is > 0.8 kg/m^3. This is 0.034 kg, or 0.043 m^3 = 43 L) > Oh wait. It gets a lot hotter than 25°C, doesn't it? Granted, the NIST table and graph does not show pressure increasing much between 0°C and 125°C. This

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Russ George wrote: Looks like near perfect ‘thermometry’ to me! Just what one would hope for > with a perfectly functioning thermocouple. > Yes. As I said, I like the way the inner and outer thermocouples switch temperatures. This indicates a source of heat starting up

RE: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jones Beene
The one thing that many of these replication attempts have in common is an apparent threshold temperature of about 1200C before gain starts. It would be helpful and intuitive, moving forward, to know what this temperature relates to, exactly. For instance, is this a threshold in photon

RE: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Russ George
Looks like near perfect ‘thermometry’ to me! Just what one would hope for with a perfectly functioning thermocouple. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 12:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is Fig. 8 with my rough translations in orange text: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qvuFUMAp9HT2taZ0hBMjYtS1U/view?usp=sharing

[Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zhang Hansheng, in China Institute of Atomic Energy reports a replication of Songsheng Jiang, who replicated Rossi. See: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2839-Zhang-Hangcheng-reports-replication-of-Songsheng-experiment-done-in-January-2016/?postID=14642#post14642 A brief report

RE: [Vo]: Thermometry could be harder than thought

2016-03-02 Thread Russ George
Indeed thermometry has its problems but with good calibration and controls which are easily done it is remarkably accurate and far far less demanding than good calorimetry. All of us likely owe our lives to the accuracy of ‘thermometry’ as in when a parent placed their hand on our feverish

Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: I think you interchanged T1 and T2. > Ah, you are right. T2 is inside the reactor in hydrogen gas. T1 is between the reactor cylinder and the heater ("DC power" shown in orange). For most of the test shown in Fig. 3, T1 (blue) is hotter than T2. Yesterday I

[Vo]: Thermometry could be harder than thought

2016-03-02 Thread Bob Higgins
One of the characteristics of at least Ni-H LENR is the likelihood that the energy from the NAE is transported away from the reaction site via low energy radiation. This creates the possibility that, like seen in a microwave oven, the surrounding apparatus may become hotter than the source. Rossi

[Vo]:a nice pro LENR initiative plus info

2016-03-02 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-02-2016-nice-initiative-for-sake-of.html more coming! peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com