Jed wrote: No, it was their idea.
How do you know that? And in case this is one of those oh well, they didn't
say so but to me it sounds obvious that... assumptions of yours: why on earth
would anybody who has to write a paper like that bind their own hands behind
their backs with such a
a group of experts sent by a power industry
Are you suggesting the power industry association had a hand in picking these
experts and the group they eventually came up with included Giuseppe Levi and
Hanno Essen based on their expertise?
Von: Berke Durak
Jed wrote: I do not think it takes
long for an electrical engineer to conclude that there is no possibility of
fraud in these tests.
I bet you won't find any EE with any experience in the business who would sign
such a statement.
measurement apart from the fact that they used a PCE830 and
that Hartman claims he lifted the controller from the table and couldn't see
any extra cables. Is that enough for you?
Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
An: Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de
CC
So you're not basing the confidence that an EE would find fraud impossible not
on the report or on what Hartman and Essen said afterwards but primarily on an
idealized version of what you believe they should have done to exclude fraud.
Or did they say anywhere in the paper that they actually
I'd use a variable blade, fixed throttle turbine - ideally without a condenser
for space and weight reasons (although just 400C may be too wastefull in terms
of water consumption - higher temperatures would be much better). Safety will
be a problem. We have to keep exhaust temperatures well
I agree that it looks messy and unprofessional. If my lab would look anything
like it, I'd be fired on the spot.
My main concern wouldn't be the distance to a pressurized container or any
other particularity but rather the entire setup. This is supposed to be a
nuclear reactor where nobody
the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid
They don't. The whole point about diesel backup power is that the grid might be
unavailable. Fukujima happened because the diesels were damaged (strange idea,
in hindsight, to place them so close and relatively unprotected to the
waterline)
Sorry - answered to the wrong mail at first.
the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid
They
don't. The whole point about diesel backup power is that the grid might
be unavailable. Fukujima happened because the diesels were damaged
(strange idea, in hindsight, to place them so close
They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of Europe
(Germany, Denmark) already look as if the land is used for nothing but wind
turbines and high-voltage lines. If you've got enough landscape that'll
probably not be much of a problem (yet). Over here it feels rather like
True. But you can actually observe flight. Sombody who saw Rossi's Gadget
heating his Office in Ferrara would have no idea whether it really works or
not, unless they have measured it in some way. There would have been no such
uncertainty with somebody whitnessing the Wrights or Lilienthal take
David Robertson wrote: It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
problem trying to
maintain stability of the power output and I have been doing some
interesting simulation that tends to support this claim.
Would you share that simulation? I can't help feeling that stability is an
Jones Beene wrote: A good magic show can fool a few journalists and grad
students and yes, Levi does not inspire confidence - but take a closer look at
the guests.
That misses one (the) major point about magic shows. When you go to Las Vegas
or Moscow to see a magician make a white tiger
Jed wrote: No such stage magic tricks exist, or can exist. It is physically
impossible.
Look, we've had this discussion before, haven't we? It is not only possible, it
is easy. Compared to fusing Nickel with Hydrogen its less than child's play.
You don't even need a PCM for that - but even if
Jed wrote: ...tell me the number right here...
I AM SORRY BUT THAT NUMBER IIS CONFIDENTIAL. ALL THOSE SNAKES AND CLOWNS OUT
THERE. COMPETIITION YOU KNOW. BUT I CAN SHOW YOU THE PCM IN A LARGE HEAVY METAL
BOX ON A TABLE AND PUMP WATER THROUGH IT TO MAKE SOME STEAM IN A RUBBER HOSE
AND THEN WE
28 demo supposedly heated
3,700 or so liters in 107 modules. 27kg of iron (a slab of 30x20x6cm) per
module would have
been more than enough (unless I messed up the numbers somewhere along the line).
Von: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
An: Yamali Yamali
If it was, then the entire power calculation is screwed up. With that kind of
pressure the water wouldn't convert to steam (and the hose where the steam came
out during the demo would have looked dramatically different - 3 bar would be
enough to prevent boiling at the measured temperatures).
or physical or nuclear state do they convert
it to? Or is the heat that's NOT immediately consumed by the water simply
stored?
Von: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
An: Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de
Gesendet: 19:36 Freitag, 20.Januar 2012
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So the customer who supposedly bought the blue problem was happy but didn't
accept delivery due to something needing to be fixed or tidied up? No way.
Many things about Rossi are hard to believe but probably the most preposterous
idea of them all is the notion that there is a customer who
All I can find is this:
There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to
solve alternative energy challenges and National Instruments provides
tools to many of these scientists. One example is the Leonardo
Corporation who intends to use NI tools for various applications.
Jed Rothwell wrote: ... Rossi has no credibility. ...
How can you come this far and still believe his e-cats work and he never faked
anything? Haven't we dicussed endlessly how easy that would be? And yet you
seem to believe that a guy without any credivility had his one honest moment in
life
if shielded in his lead replaceable cartridge,
would that make it acceptable to UL, etc? There is some radiation from smoke
detectors now.
Smoke detectors don't work with gamma radiation, afaik. And shielding would
take a lot more than the wall of a small cartridge for 512 keV gamma. The dose
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is
via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding.
In that case we'd be talking about liquid lead shielding. 3 cm would reduce 511
keV gamma by about 99%. Still - the equivalent of 10 kW x .01 would escape and
Rossi
I was referring to this statement:
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is
via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding.
And as I read it, it would imply that the energetic equivalent of 10 kW (or
whatever an e-cat produces) would have to be
He has always said that there are gamma rays. He shields them with
lead. There are no gamma rays leaving the device. This is all
consistent.
Actually no. It is impossible. You can't shield gamma rays completely. You
could shield them enough to be so few that they would be undetectable. But if
That depends on how many gamma rays you're dealing with. Its just stochastics.
A certain fraction will allways get through. All the shielding does is to
reduce the likelihood for each one. So even 1 m solid lead won't reduce
radiation to unmeasurable levels if there's enough of it inside.
This is like asking anyone would buy a Data General Supernova
minicomputer in 1979, knowing that in a few years personal computers
would become available with far better price/performance ratios.
Analogies like that don't apply. Early computers were expensive but there was
no alternative. Yes,
450 deg C E-Cats 1 MW industrial plants are not 60 deg C 10 kW home E-Cats
You're right, of course. I thought we were talking about the 100 C thing in the
shipping container. Where can I find specs for a 450 C version?
512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected.
Then why is he still alive - and how can he possibly claim to put serious
effort in developing home units when from that factor alone it is abundantly
clear that none of this technology will ever run anywhere that somebody calls
home?
If an e-cat is really nothing but a boiler with a steel core, some electronics
(wouldn't be multi-purpose but possibly on a single ASIC), a heater element and
connectors for some kind of heat exchanger, I'd expect a small home unit to
cost about $ 400 to produce and ship from China. This is
I work for a large German car manufacturers in engine development. When we put
out a new engine, it takes about nine months from the last prototype to go-live
of an assembly line. Most of that time is spent in tool development (tools
(werkzeuge) is what we call everything we need to make and
If Rossi would really want to keep prices low and come to market quickly, he'd
not build up production in Europe, btw. Even compared with a fully automated
factory somewhere in Italy, Asia would be much cheaper and faster to ramp up.
I#39;m a little shocked by this. It isn#39;t information nor opinion - more
some kind of propaganda. You#39;ve heard from somebody you trust completely
but can#39;t say who and that somebody shared an opinion with you based on
Defkalion asking him/her to do so, right? Who is protecting who? And
The fact that it remained hot is all the proof you need.
I don't get it. If there was no nuclear reaction and all of the energy came
from thermal storage, then in deed the device will stay hot for a long time.
However if all the heat came from a nuclear reaction, I'd expect it to cool
down
Stored heat can only emerge. It cannot stay hot. It has cool monotonically,
according to Newton's law:
You're burning the last point I held for Rossi (which was that I wondered
whether scientists could be fooled so easily - apparently they can). Newton's
law would not be violated, of course.
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before. What I find odd about Newan's
documentation is that he notes the boiling point at 99.5 C. He then adds .5 C
to that on page two when explaining the outlet under approximately 200 mm or so
of water. So he gets 100 C overall and a measured T out of
I don't see how boiling a pot of water and sticking a thermometer somewhere
into the swirling flow can possibly be as accurate as calculating it. Depending
on the heat source, the pot and the placement of the thermometer you should
always find a range of temperatures at least one or two degrees
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