Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-08 Thread Harry Veeder
://www.bignam.org/   A small Basic Income project in Brasil: https://www.facebook.com/BIGQUATINGAVELHO?v=info   Harry   From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:36:43 AM Subject: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax Global negative income

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-08 Thread Jouni Valkonen
/BIGQUATINGAVELHO?v=info Harry From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:36:43 AM Subject: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax Global negative income tax There would be radical sounding, but very plausible solution for all war

[Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Global negative income tax There would be radical sounding, but very plausible solution for all war and absolute poverty related social problems. That is ca. $1000 annual negative income tax for each adult citizens of Earth indifferently on their past history or current wealth. This may sound

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Craig Haynie
Global negative income tax It's not just a coincidence that the world's largest democracies have the most catastrophic wars, the most debt, the most regulations, and the highest taxes. The power seekers of the world seek power, and the most power is at the top. The freest countries offer the

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and rich country. Believe me, war is something

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Hope
It's not reserved for poor countries, but weak countries. Thus, poor Libya, having given up its nuclear ambitions, gets smacked around with a large trout, whereas poor DPRK is allowed to fire missiles randomly around its region, and it receives a finger wag. Craig, truly brilliant post.

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think we will need to do something like this when robots and computers eliminate most human labor. We need a gradual transition so a system along these lines. See: http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-06 11:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/6 Craig Hayniecchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com: On 11-08-06 11:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/6 Craig Hayniecchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax     Since WWII ended, the only wars I can think of in which at least one party

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I think we will need to do something like this when robots and computers eliminate most human labor. We need a gradual transition so a system along these lines. See: http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/ - Jed I think that according synopsis,

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax Since WWII ended, the only wars I can think of in which at least one party was *not* nuclear armed were between India and Pakistan -- and they were serious nail-biters, which scared just about all rational folk on the planet. what about the Iran

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Harry Veeder
  - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 3:36:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax On 11-08-06 02:56 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message

RE: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
An excerpt from Jouni: ... Technology is the real measure of wealth, money is just mediator what can be utilized into exchanging and distributing technology. Generally speaking, I tend to agree with this assessment. I suspect books like The Lights in the Tunnel which Mr.

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-06 04:09 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: You said AT LEAST one party which was not nuclear armed, which I took to mean one or both parties which were not nuclear armed. Right you were. My comment was scrambled; mine was the error. Sorry!

Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Hope
Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 6, 2011, at 18:54, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: ... They don't want to hear about the fact that when government employees spend their money it boosts the economy in exactly the same manner as what would be spent from

RE: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax

2011-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Charles Hope OrionWorks sez: ... They don't want to hear about the fact that when government employees spend their money it boosts the economy in exactly the same manner as what would be spent from individuals who work and earn income out in the free market. Money is money. It