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2007-03-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: I seriously doubt that the hidden costs of your use of electricity is completely covered by what you pay. That is correct. Want to pay more? Yes, I do want to pay more, and I shall, as soon as green electricity becomes available. I have signed up for it.

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2007-03-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/11/07, Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who pays the hidden costs of extracting that nuclear fuel, and cleaning up the radioactive crap belched out by these facilities? None of them are clean, they leak radioactive water into the environment all the time. Actually, for a given

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2007-03-12 Thread John Berry
On 3/13/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: Tell that to Freeman Dyson, Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, etc. They question what is going on. Dyson also does not believe in cold fusion. I do not know about these others. But it is not a matter of opinion; it is a

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2007-03-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: On 3/11/07, Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who pays the hidden costs of extracting that nuclear fuel, and cleaning up the radioactive crap belched out by these facilities? None of them are clean, they leak radioactive water into the environment all the time.

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2007-03-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: People will starve, riot, the cities will burn. and engagements will be called off. Harry

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2007-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: Then give me my Monte Carlo back and tax me less, with 28mpg average, and even less if and when I drive the efficiency up higher. Of course people who drive more efficient cars should pay less! That is my point. People who walk should pay practially nothing. Beg to

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2007-03-11 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !! But not enough to cover the cost of pollution or the war -- which is mainly a war for oil. That is why the nation

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2007-03-10 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !! Great, so $1360 a month, . Ends up about $800 for me a month, not including picking up my fiancee from her workplace. I suppose she could quit working

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2007-03-10 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !! Turn up the heater, do go for a drive in the summer and find less depressing music and maybe environment. Unfortunately, I can't turn off my thoughts. My

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2007-03-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I confess that I pulled the toll of $1 per mile out of a hat. The correct figure should be ~$0.25 per mile. This is based on the average fuel efficiency of U.S. cars (20 mpg) and the cost and damage caused by burning a gallon of gas ($5). The cost including buiding roads, and damage includes

Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!

2007-03-10 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !! I confess that I pulled the toll of $1 per mile out of a hat. The correct figure should be ~$0.25 per mile

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2007-03-09 Thread Jones Beene
This is the Petrocracy at works, folks: http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt

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2007-03-09 Thread Terry Blanton
I'm afraid their ordeal might not be over. The Feds will be next. This will become a problem for Tesla and with BEVs in general. This is also why the Gov't needs to sell a fuel . . . some kind of fuel. Highways are maintained by the federal excise tax on fuel. If you're not selling fuel, you

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2007-03-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: This will become a problem for Tesla and with BEVs in general. This is also why the Gov't needs to sell a fuel . . . some kind of fuel. Highways are maintained by the federal excise tax on fuel. If you're not selling fuel, you have no $$ for highways and the corruption that

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2007-03-09 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !! I do not know whether highway taxes are more likely to invite corruption than other kinds, but I think we should

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2007-03-09 Thread John Berry
in destroying the world, be a force for good not a smaller force for bad. On 3/10/07, Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Vo

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2007-03-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/9/07, Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drive a long way each day to work and back, compared to many, and probably a long way in your opinion. About 40 miles round trip. The average commute in Atlanta is 34 miles one way. I personally do 23 miles one way. We have many who

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2007-03-09 Thread John Berry
Great, so $1360 a month, let's hope Jed doesn't get a job in government. Personally I think that user pays is generally a poor idea, I'm more of a flat rate all you can eat kind of guy, it is much more freeing, people don't need to be obsessing over every mile like that. But at the very least