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From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
On 2/5/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It won't rise but some of the ions will go round or even
On 2/15/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
On 2/5/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
You can calculate i*d/2E-4 (i current in A, d gap in m) for yourself can't
you? Well that's the ion wind's
On 2/15/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, not kW levels, in fact you can get what I described from a 12w
flyback
that powers a plasma globe.
How cute, is this what you tried to fly your lifter with?
Of course not.
with the negative charge
pumped
from the inner sphere to the surrounding outer sphere by the VDG. But don't
bet on it. :-)
Fred
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From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: 2/15/2007 3:34:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
define conductors and total charge and which would work out charge
distribution for you, this may exist.
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
- Original Message -
From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
You can calculate i*d/2E-4 (i current in A, d gap in m) for yourself
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
If you have the patience, this CalTech Electric Field Applet can
be used to set up a simulation of the charged apparatus, the ion
charges and
the putative excess negative charge of the earth
No, it's just a pin point vaporization and carbonization of skin, the
soldering iron will burn and either leave skin hard, or if hotter it will
make skin slough off so it's quite different.
Obviously if the ma's are too high it is worse and if rectified to DC and
maybe a cap to rectify easily
Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
Michel Jullian wrote:
Sure Harry it's ion wind. Naudin's comment, athough
Michel Jullian wrote:
It won't rise but some of the ions will go round or even through the paper so
you'll get some remaining thrust, it's very hard to insulate high voltages.
Well one could also do what Stephen A. Lawrence suggested earlier.
Put the lifter inside a box and place the box on a
Someone posted the idea of powering their lifter with batteries. I'd
like to suggest a MHD generator. It would seem to me that ti would be
lighter, I don't know about the price though.
This is a device several guys on this list could build and test.
Harry
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From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
Michel Jullian wrote:
In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has
beaten as I had
-polymer batteries :)))
Michel
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From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
Sure Harry it's ion wind. Naudin's comment, athough somewhat misleading
: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
Michel Jullian wrote:
In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has
beaten as I had expected all other lifter
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From: Michael Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics
...
Therefore, an object with a strong negative charge will charge
the earth locally positive by induction and your
Michel Jullian wrote:
In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has
beaten as I had expected all other lifter designs in terms of thrust per unit
area, by a comfortable margin (3 times that of a standard lifter e.g.
Naudin's, 1.5 times that of a flat grid De
Harry Veeder wrote:
Michel Jullian wrote:
In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has
beaten as I had expected all other lifter designs in terms of thrust per unit
area, by a comfortable margin (3 times that of a standard lifter e.g.
Naudin's, 1.5 times that of
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