Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:17:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] You might ask, isn't the function of gravitational mass to attract? This answer is no. Gravitational mass reflects a body's indifference to having its gravitational

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-13 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:17:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] You might ask, isn't the function of gravitational mass to attract? This answer is no. Gravitational mass reflects a body's indifference to having its gravitational acceleration impeded by another body.

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:14:46 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] However, I also make distinction between gravitational mass and inertial mass. The sun would still have plenty of inertial mass, and it is this inertial mass that attracts

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] New speculation: The electrons and protons have weight only when they form molecules such as H2. Neutrons have weight both when they are free and when they are part of a nucleus.

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] New speculation: The electrons and protons have weight only when they form molecules such as H2. Neutrons have weight both when they are free and when they are part of a nucleus.

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-06 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:14:46 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] However, I also make distinction between gravitational mass and inertial mass. The sun would still have plenty of inertial mass, and it is this inertial mass that attracts (accelerates) the planets. You

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-04 Thread thomas malloy
Harry Veeder wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Ok. New speculation: The electrons and protons have weight only when they form molecules such as H2. Neutrons have weight both when they are free and when they are part of a nucleus. I don't understand why you would think that protrons wouldn't

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-04 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:24:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] New speculation: The electrons and protons have weight only when they form molecules such as H2. Neutrons have weight both when they are free and when they are part of a nucleus. [snip] Since the Sun is mostly a

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-04 Thread Harry Veeder
thomas malloy wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Ok. New speculation: The electrons and protons have weight only when they form molecules such as H2. Neutrons have weight both when they are free and when they are part of a nucleus. I don't understand why you

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-03 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:07:30 -0500: Hi, [snip] Here is another speculation: Maybe only neutrons have gravity. [snip] H2 gas has weight, and it has no neutrons (to speak of). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-12-03 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:07:30 -0500: Hi, [snip] Here is another speculation: Maybe only neutrons have gravity. [snip] H2 gas has weight, and it has no neutrons (to speak of). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Ok. New

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:37:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] Obviouslybut then again maybe free electrons and protons have no weight. [snip] The Solar corona (no to mention the Sun itself) is largely free electrons and protons, yet they

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:37:45 -0500: Hi, [snip] Obviouslybut then again maybe free electrons and protons have no weight. [snip] The Solar corona (no to mention the Sun itself) is largely free electrons and protons, yet they are kept attached to the Sun by

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
, November 25, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge Frederick Sparber wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http://www.kinergypower.com/index_files/Page452.htm Harry The last time I drove over a concave speed bump

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Frederick Sparber
at the patent office have a sense of humor too. OTOH. It sheds new light on the meaning of Beltways, and the Beltway Bandits. Fred - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

[Vo]: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Vo]: weight and charge I didn't follow all of this thread, but an interesting thought occurred to me that may have been considered and rejected

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge Frederick Sparber wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http

[Vo]: Re: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [Vo]: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge Rather than use hydraulic shocks on vehicles that convert energy into waste heat, why not use electro magnetic shocks

Re: [Vo]: Re: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-25 Thread Standing Bear
On Saturday 25 November 2006 18:19, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: - Original Message - From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [Vo]: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge Rather than use hydraulic shocks on vehicles

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Frederick Sparber
Harry wasn't kidding Michel. He knows this from his experience moonlighting as a speed-bump at WalMart. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 11/24/2006 2:00:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge I guess Harry was teasing us

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Michel Jullian
PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge Harry wasn't kidding Michel. He knows this from his experience moonlighting as a speed-bump at WalMart. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Frederick Sparber
: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 11/24/2006 2:54:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge LOL BTW my posts to Vortex are getting through again since I swapped ISP's, I am quite glad. Maybe the list server is equipped with some whimsical antispam software blocking

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel, This time I am being serious. If one begins with the postulate that that all weight is apparent weight then it is easier to understand how and why weight anomalies might arise. Gravity is the tendency of a body to accelerate. Weight is only a _measure_ of this tendency, and it is a

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
their entry level position. OTOH, I hear that missionary positions abound in Amsterdam if you tend to have a religious bent. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 11/24/2006 2:54:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge LOL BTW

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Harry Veeder wrote: Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http://www.kinergypower.com/index_files/Page452.htm Harry follow-up the piezoelectric freeway... http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/piezo_20motorway_20(freeway) Harry

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:40:25 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Is it possible you are confusing weight and mass? (You're certainly confusing me ;) Michel, This time I am being serious. If one begins with the postulate that that all weight is apparent weight then it is

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:16:15 -0500: Hi, [snip] Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http://www.kinergypower.com/index_files/Page452.htm This device falls in the not even wrong category. Essentially it is an extremely inefficient

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:25:19 -0500: Hi, [snip] If charged particles have weight then they would weigh less when moving in a horizontal plane. Why? Because the faster you travel over the surface of the Earth, the less

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Frederick Sparber
bent. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 11/24/2006 2:54:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: weight and charge LOL BTW my posts to Vortex are getting through again since I swapped ISP's, I am quite glad. Maybe the list

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
I make an explicit distinction between inertial mass and gravitational mass. Lets call them m' for inertial mass and m~ for gravitational mass. If a is an acceleration due to an inertial force, and g is the acceleration due to gravity, then weight = (m~)(g) inertial force = (m')(a) See

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Frederick Sparber wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http://www.kinergypower.com/index_files/Page452.htm Harry The last time I drove over a concave speed bump aka a pothole it cost me a tire and a new wheel. I guess I

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:16:15 -0500: Hi, [snip] Here is an example of little speed bumps generating electricity. http://www.kinergypower.com/index_files/Page452.htm This device falls in the not even wrong category.

Re: [Vo]: weight and charge

2006-11-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:25:19 -0500: Hi, [snip] If charged particles have weight then they would weigh less when moving in a horizontal plane. Why? Because the faster you travel over the surface of the Earth, the less you weigh. Weight is maximum when you are