Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: > The utilities love that combination of lower cost and higher profit > margins, with no competition. > The utilities do have a valid point regarding electricity from rooftop PV installations. It costs them money to accept this

RE: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-04 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Harry- Most electricity prices are set by state commissions. These commissions ignore the lower costs associated with reduced production and the resulting increased profit margin of the utilities they regulate. The utilities love that combination of lower cost and higher profit margins,

RE: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-04 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Jones— You noted: “The grid suppliers on average are receiving about the same income today despite higher prices due to lower demand. It is that simple.” I would think considering supply and demand economics that a lower demand would reduce prices of electricity as occurs with reduced demand

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-03 Thread H LV
Bob, do you think the ultility companies are keeping demand depressed by keeping prices high in their favour? Harry On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 8:13 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > My local utility currently charges me about $100 per year to feed > electricity

RE: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-03 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
I though that the document Jed provided a link to indicated that co-generation by businesses displaced grid electricity because it was cheaper.This is especially true in Japan where co-generation of electricity using waste heat from industrial facilities has lead the world in this area of

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-03 Thread H LV
I wonder what the relationship between age and energy demand ​is like. Given that the average age is increasing this might have something to do with the drop in demand. Harry On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, JonesBeene wrote: > Those of us who are completely focused on LENR

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Terry Blanton
Also consider the increase in efficiencies in the homes here. Incentives to improve leakage and appliance consumption through tax incentives have been implemented by this author. My home energy consumption is half what it was a decade ago. On Mar 2, 2018 8:44 PM, "Jed Rothwell"

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: U.S. manufacturing is at record highs. Manufacturing employment is down, > and the U.S. fraction of world manufacturing is down, but in absolute terms > it is higher than it has ever been. It is even higher when you include > things like mining and agriculture. Manufacturing energy use

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: I think another important factor was the stock market in 2008, which caused > many > people to become more conservative in their spending. They actually > started to > make an effort to save energy. > People have been making intense efforts to save energy since the

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sat, 03 Mar 2018 12:29:28 +1100: Hi, [snip] >I think another important factor was the stock market in 2008, which caused >many >people to become more conservative in their spending. They actually started to >make an effort to save energy. ...read

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: It seems to me that another factor in the decline has been the decline in > manufacturing in the USA. > U.S. manufacturing is at record highs. Manufacturing employment is down, and the U.S. fraction of world manufacturing is down, but in absolute

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:06:50 -0700: Hi, [snip] >It seems to me that another factor in the decline has been the decline in >manufacturing in the USA. I know that when the Fukushima disaster struck, >the net reduction in available power in Japan caused significant

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Bob Higgins
It seems to me that another factor in the decline has been the decline in manufacturing in the USA. I know that when the Fukushima disaster struck, the net reduction in available power in Japan caused significant problems in manufacturing - hinting that manufacturing was a large consumer of the

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Has anyone looked at the impact of fracking on the data? Heating is a major energy sink and the difference in gas vs electric heating costs (even with heat pumps) could be a major driver in new builds. Andrew _ _ _ _ _ On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
JonesBeene wrote: Not to mention the electric car. Tesla alone “should have” increased the > demand for electrical power. This has not happened. > I have not looked at the numbers, but I kind of doubt that Tesla alone could have a measurable effect. Perhaps Tesla + Leaf +

[Vo]:Amazing and overlooked: the big picture of Grid Energy in the USA

2018-03-02 Thread JonesBeene
Those of us who are completely focused on LENR or new sources for alternative energy may have missed the big picture story. We have not been “following the buck” so to speak. That is, when you look at the changes in the supply/demand of conventional energy since the beginning of the Industrial