[Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Amidst all the hoopla over Rossi's recent hot-cat claims, and the first retraction - and the notable lack calibration data, or lack of real data - did Rossi also make a devastating math error? Last night, in the comments - it looks like Ahern suggests that Rossi's own calculations are off by four

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
to interpret as usual for Rossi, but the numbers look pretty good as a start. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 10:43 am Subject: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? Amidst all the hoopla over Rossi's recent

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert the square centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder why he does not include the area of the end caps in his calculation? Do you suppose he wants to be conservative on

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Frank Acland
I am pretty sure the decimal in the first number should be a comma. Rossi is mixing up numbering conventions. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ** ** ** ** *From:* David Roberson ** ** It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Terry Blanton
The comments in the referenced link address these issues and more. There is also this link: http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media/media_outlets_consider_cold_fusion_and_low-energy_nuclear_reactions Which is a summary of LENR in the news.

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 11:43 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? From:David Roberson It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 toconvert the square centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder why he does not include

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
It looks as though they have taken the temperature of the device of 1050 C and subtracted the room temperature of 25 C before converting into Kelvin at 1298.15, which is inserted into the radiation equation. The non linearity of the temperature effect upon the radiation makes this not

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Well, it's too bad that Physics Today is giving a bit of credence to the field at the same time this Rossi crap comes out . It could not be called 'crap,' and would be easier to believe if Rossi had included data and did not include this warning at the top of the document (ironically labeled

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
at all for another few months? A little taste of poor quality food is better than starvation. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 12:20 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? Well, it’s too badthat

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread David Roberson
would consider this type of operation a defect that needs to be corrected. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error? On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:00, David Roberson

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Patrick Ellul
Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by

RE: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Patrick Ellul Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation There is a data file on this linked page called hot-cat-data: http://www.scribd.com/doc/105325449/Hot-Cat-Data The assumption seems to be that this is the data in

Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

2012-10-13 Thread Frank Acland
Another typo, I'm afraid. The hot-cat-data file was an addendum to the validation report Rossi presented in Zurich -- the test was done on July 16, 2012. Both these files are in my Scribd account where I have uploaded various documents . On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jones Beene