RE: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-07 Thread Chris Zell
Find a local cavern, seal it off and do compressed air storage.

Re: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:43:43 -0800: Hi, [snip] Lithium really is brain-dead for Wind farm application ... maybe that pathology goes with the territory. Advanced flywheel storage probably makes the most sense. Below is one company that has done well with them.

[Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/02/beech-ridge-energy-plans-battery-system-at-west-virginia-wind-farm Summary stats for the battery: 32 MW 18 modules made of standard shipping containers (like Rossi's MW gadget), each with 1.8 MW output. Lithium-ion batteries

Re: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Lithium-ion batteries Cost $20 million. Whew! Musk's Gigafactory http://www.forbes.com/sites/michelinemaynard/2014/02/26/elon-musks-risky-5-billion-plan-to-control-teslas-fate/ will double the world's output of lithium batteries. While mostly for the Tesla automobile, Musk hopes to at least

Re: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:22:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/02/beech-ridge-energy-plans-battery-system-at-west-virginia-wind-farm This has to be one of the stupidest possible uses for Lithium batteries, given

Re: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48:49 +1100: Hi, BTW Sodium-Sulfur might have been a better choice for a fixed location, given that both Sodium and Sulphur are common and cheap. Also the weight penalty imposed by the thermal insulation required isn't a problem for

RE: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread Jones Beene
Lithium really is brain-dead for Wind farm application ... maybe that pathology goes with the territory. Advanced flywheel storage probably makes the most sense. Below is one company that has done well with them. Smart Energy's flywheel is 4th-generation featuring longer life than batteries,

Re: [Vo]:Battery system for wind farm

2014-03-06 Thread Alain Sepeda
Maybe question is not engineering, but subsidies, advertising, ideology, fashion... I see that with companies getting on internet with no vision of what to do there. I should not moan too much, because soon (maybe already) the big guys will go to LENr without much vision of what to do, else be