Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Josh: My guess is that he knows it will irk the believers even more if he ignores Rossi, than if he dumps on him. It seems to be working. Keep guessing Joshua. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Gluck
In his Dec 01 (?) What's New, Bob Park speaks in his usual style about cold fusion see- LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD CF is on the first place! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: In his Dec 01 (?) What's New, Bob Park speaks in his usual style about cold fusion see- LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD CF is on the first place! You must be on his mailing list. The

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Gluck
no link yet, sorry but this is the relevant text: 3. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD There are, I think, many more of them than there are of us. Let me mention just a few of the more notorious: Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishman, who gave us Cold Fusion in 1989, are the

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Thanks for posting the actual paragraph, Peter. 3. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD There are, I think, many more of them than there are of us. Let me mention just a few of the more notorious:  Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishman, who gave us Cold Fusion in 1989, are

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Joshua Cude
The whole thing is related to pseudoscience and ignorance, and it's all relevant. Here it is: 1. HACKS: SHODDY PRESS COVERAGE OF SCIENCE. The Leveson Inquiry into the standards and ethics of the UK press, headed by Lord Justice Brian Leveson, was prompted by the News of the World phone- hacking

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone seriously question the possibility that Park remains unaware of Rossi, Defkalion, and the rest of the eCat gang? Seriously? It hasn't been in the mass media much. I don't anyone who has discussed this with Park . . .

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Most confirmed skeptics refuse to read anything. It's not refusal. It's that they are not interested. Most skeptics are satisfied that if the grandiose claims were real, simple and obvious demonstrations would not only

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If he attacks cold fusion I do not think he would hold back from attacking Rossi. Everyone I know thinks they are the same phenomenon. Guess you don't know me! I think there might possibly be something to cold

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo also says she has read no papers. No longer the case. I slogged through a couple, was not impressed by their clarity and robustness and stopped reading them. If you find McKubre, Miles or Storms difficult to read then you are not very good at

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed, Peter can correct me if I error on this point but I believe he has repeatedly attempted to contact Dr. Park specifically in regard to the Rossi saga. Numerous times. I believe Peter as posted the fact that Park has never responded to any of his repeated inquiries. I'm sure others have

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Charles Hope
It's not relevant, because his criticism is against innumeracy, which applies to such delusions as astrology and homeopathy, but not cold fusion, where the most serious advocates are scientists, who certainly know their differential equations. Why would anyone mention cold fusion in 2011, and

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote: It's not relevant, because his criticism is against innumeracy, which applies to such delusions as astrology and homeopathy, but not cold fusion, where the most serious advocates are scientists, who certainly know

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Gluck
I have kept Park informed about the Rossi story for, say the first 3 months see papers about Skeptics on my blog. He did not answer after a while. He is not living in an ivory tower so he must know- but perhaps cannot decide what to do with the story. It is difficult to dismiss or to accept Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

2011-12-15 Thread Rich Murray
The jocular way in which the CF pros and cons joust reminds me of the old story about the commedians' club that met monthly for a hearty meal and joke sharing, until after a few years they had all their jokes numbered, so they could just call out the number to reap some laughter... a guest watched