Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-05-11 Thread Mint Candy
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Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-05-11 Thread Axil Axil
]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=??? Mint Candy, Thanks for taking the time to let us know about your success. I appreciate it. The reports of success with Hexane are growing in number and your report is most promising. Did you see any indications of radiation from your reactor

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-05-11 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
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Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-05-11 Thread Axil Axil
: Axil Axil Sent: 05/09/12 02:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=??? Mint Candy, Thanks for taking the time to let us know about your success. I appreciate it. The reports of success with Hexane are growing in number and your

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-05-09 Thread Axil Axil
Mint Candy, Thanks for taking the time to let us know about your success. I appreciate it. The reports of success with Hexane are growing in number and your report is most promising. Did you see any indications of radiation from your reactor? Is your process easy to control; easy to start up

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

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RE: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
The Roll Royce RR300 produces 300 HP with 1.1 megawatts of heating power, so 45 megawatts would be more than 13,500 HP. Assuming 10 lbf lift per horsepower ( true for a helicopter, the giant A400M lifts 7 lbf/HP ), the aircraft could weigh 135,000 pounds or 67 tons. From:

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
It can be extremely useful to incorporate 45 megawatts of LENR power into a stealth aircraft. This capability will allow the stealth aircraft designer a true UFO like performance via a hybrid ion jet engine. From the article on Military jet engines…see Under Stealth

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It can be extremely useful to incorporate 45 megawatts of LENR power into a stealth aircraft. This capability will allow the stealth aircraft designer a true UFO like performance via a hybrid ion jet engine. How would

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
the power density of Defkalion hyperion, is about 5kW for 10g of powder, 5kg of reactor, plus pipes,pump and bottle (should be negligible if well integrated and MW sized)... 45MW mechanic, imply 150-200MW thermal, so about 200ton of reactor, plus turbines. it is not far from the current total

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
From a Rossi interview, http://pesn.com/2012/01/14/9602012_Momentous_Breakthroughs_Announced_During_Anniversary_E-Cat_Interview/ *It was also clarified that each individual home E-Cat system will utilize one reactor core. This is different than what was stated only a couple months ago, which

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:44:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. You don't need 45 MW for a drone! Okay,

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:02:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] I know several people in the Navy and Army. What you are saying is absurd. They do spend millions of dollars just to know something. If they purchased the machine, they would take to one of their facilities and run

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L An ideal LENR App the Boeing Sugar Volt: http://cubeme.com/blog/2010/08/03/boeing-team%E2%80%99s-innovative-sugar-volt-concept/ Ronn Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Ron, Even better: http://pesn.com/2012/04/15/9602075_Inteligentry_Manufacturers_Gearing_Up_for_Noble_Gas_Engine_Roll-out/ Reliable Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L An ideal LENR App the Boeing Sugar Volt:

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's great! That would be easy to adapt to cold fusion, in a first-generation cold fusion aircraft. You would not need the battery, so the payload would be increased. This airplane reduces fuel consumption by 70% -- an astounding number. That is not necessary with cold fusion. It would serve no

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread David Roberson
]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=??? Ron, Even better: ttp://pesn.com/2012/04/15/9602075_Inteligentry_Manufacturers_Gearing_Up_for_Noble_Gas_Engine_Roll-out/ Reliable Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L An ideal LENR App the Boeing Sugar Volt: http://cubeme.com/blog/2010/08/03

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. Military aircraft always precede commercial aircraft development. As background, the U.S. Navy's pursuit of drones is recognition of the need for new weapons and

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. You don't need 45 MW for a drone! Okay, maybe for the upcoming X-47B drone, but you would not start with that. They would

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. Also, if Rossi can make a 45 MW reactor it will be the size of an office building. It will weigh many times more than a drone.

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi has stated that his 1 MW reactors was delivered to a military customer. It logically follows that he would setup his company in close proximity to that customer. Florida’s Mayport Naval Station and Jacksonville Naval Air Station was also where the Navy’s Broad Area Maritime Surveillance

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has stated that his 1 MW reactors was delivered to a military customer. As far as I know, the 1 MW reactor has not been delivered to anyone. It is still sitting there. I doubt it was purchased by the U.S. military. Maybe European military. Actually,

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi must have made the sale to the US Navy because he has stopped looking for a major supportive money rich customer. And he has stopped complaining about a lack of money. Rossi has devoted much effort in downsizing his reactor core. I believe this effort was directed towards the requirements

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Has anyone identified a change in one of the fuel ingredients? I am curious as to where the energy is derived. Hmmm . . . It does not say. I assume it is a conventional turbine, driven by kerosene. Aeroderivative turbine generators are the most

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi must have made the sale to the US Navy because he has stopped looking for a major supportive money rich customer. As far as I know he is still looking for money. I doubt anyone paid him a million bucks for that reactor. I doubt anyone bought it at all.

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: He hasn't downsized it as far as I know. I mean the ratio of weight to power has not improved, which is what you need to improve for aviation apps. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Taking delivery of the prototype is not necessary. What is necessary is to see the prototype work in self sustain mode…Yes it is real. Just to know that Rossi’s LENR technology is viable is all that the Navy requires. This is important to justify the Navy’s current E-Cat development effort. And

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Taking delivery of the prototype is not necessary. What is necessary is to see the prototype work in self sustain mode…Yes it is real. Just to know that Rossi’s LENR technology is viable is all that the Navy requires. I know several people in the Navy and

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant they do NOT spend millions just to know. The whole idea is preposterous. If anyone in the press found out about such a thing, they would be dragged before Congress and everyone involved would be fired. Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. But

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
Rossi says that President Obama is the greatest president of all times Now I am convinced Rossi is full of s)t! The rest of your analysis reads like a Tom Clancy novel and unfortunately i think Rossi's actions are better captured in the novel Matchstick Men. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, Jed

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
So your positions is that Rossi is lying about his customer, he is irrational, he has no product, his system does not work, he is a fraud. You can’t have it both ways. So sorry, you are faced with a no win situation. He has either sold his system to a military customer or he is a liar and a fraud.

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Your political predilections have forced a disconnect in the logic of your position. If Rossi has sold his system to a military customer, the requirements of the current military grand strategy of automating war fighting will force a Tom Clancy like development of Robot warriors. Do you think

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
“Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. But especially, buying something for a million bucks and leaving it at the factory untested is simple out of the question.” The details of the development of intelligence gathering platforms are always protected from

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
FYI http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/ See for Yourself: The Pentagon’s $51 Billion ‘Black’ Budget On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. But especially,

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The details of the development of intelligence gathering platforms are always protected from public and congressional oversight by the black budget process were only a total budgetary figure is available. No, they are not. Programs are protected only

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
Good idea. I think Taliban outhouses would be a good first testing ground for Rossi's Device. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: Your political predilections have forced a disconnect in the logic of your position. If Rossi has sold his system to a military customer, the

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
I am amused at your naïve trust in the competency of the US Congress. The only thing the members are interested in is being reelected and getting pork for their district. Furthermore, Solandra was not a black project. If an inquiry on LENR by a member was to occur, that inquiry would itself be

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
I don't think the military would want a blabbering Rossi spewing spinformation daily across the Internet as he is doing. Also, what kind of real security is around that warehouse in italy? Anybody with a box of donuts could probably make it past the security guard i saw in an early video. And

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I am amused at your naïve trust in the competency of the US Congress. Please do not put words in my mouth, and do not use strawman arguments. I am not suggesting that the Congress is especially competent. However, I am familiar with the laws under which it

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, Solandra was not a black project. If an inquiry on LENR by a member was to occur, that inquiry would itself be classified an no one would ever know about such an inquiry. A member meaning a member of Congress?!? Do you think the Pentagon can

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
*A member meaning a member of Congress?!?”* Yes *“Do you think the Pentagon can ignore an inquiry from Congress, or tell Congress it will not answer? That is not how it works. The Pentagon must respond. It would respond. It would give the information to a Representative who has security

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If all works like it is designed to, the congressional hearing would be held behind closed doors and the information would be kept secret. Correct. But this would never be kept secret. It would be leaked to Fox News immediately, because it would hurt the