Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-06 Thread Mauro Lacy
Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frank Roarty wrote: s identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelNo, but

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Frank Roarty wrote: Mauro, I converted my power point presentation on fractional quantum states to html. I think it has bearing on your additional axis from a relativistic perspective http:// www.byzipp.com/energy/excessHeat.htm Regards Fran

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Frank Roarty
, August 04, 2009 8:17 AM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Frank Roarty wrote: Mauro, I converted my power point presentation on fractional quantum states to html. I think it has bearing on your additional axis from

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frank Roarty wrote: s identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelNo, but I'll read about it. Reciprocal space sounds like a mirror space to me. By

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frank Roarty wrote: s identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelNo, but I'll read about it. Reciprocal space sounds like a mirror space

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frank Roarty wrote: s identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelNo, but I'll read about it.

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-04 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frank Roarty wrote: s identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelNo, but I'll read about it.

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-03 Thread Frank Roarty
] Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges Mauro Lacy wrote: Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Mauro Lacy Please take into account that when Hotson says 'imaginary direction' you can read '4th

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Frank Roarty wrote: No, but I'll read about it. Reciprocal space sounds like a mirror space to me. By example, using the fourth dimension, you can invert a tridimensional sphere without breaking it. That is, you can put the inside out and viceversa, through a rotation over a fourth

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Frank Roarty wrote: Mauro, I converted my power point presentation on fractional quantum states to html. I think it has bearing on your additional axis from a relativistic perspective http:// www.byzipp.com/energy/excessHeat.htm Regards Fran

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[Snip] The longer wavelengths are not replaced with shorter wavelengths inside the cavity. Space is filled with zero point field which has a continuous and cubic energy distribution. The shorter wavelength radiation simply moves right through the plates and cavity unimpeded, as if the cavity

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Mauro Lacy
Hi Thanks for this post about Hotson's ideas. Don't know about you, but to me, everything is starting to make a lot of sense. Please take into account that when Hotson says 'imaginary direction' you can read '4th spatial dimension'. And when, relativistically it's said 'time dilation' or 'time

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Mauro Lacy Please take into account that when Hotson says 'imaginary direction' you can read '4th spatial dimension'. Are you familiar with the Dirac concept of reciprocal space? ... or rather, like so many things that have been updated in order to bring

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Mauro Lacy wrote: I was thinking recently that it's not enough for gravity to be explained merely as a consequence of a distortion of space. It's not a distortion of space, it's a distortion of spaceTIME, and the difference is extremely important. The metric in 4-dimensional spacetime is

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Gravity is *NOT* a force in GR theory, of course, and a body in free fall follows a geodesic. I read the principle equivalence as implying gravity is either a force OR a geodesic path depending on the situation. It is a force (weight) when a body is subjected to

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: I was thinking recently that it's not enough for gravity to be explained merely as a consequence of a distortion of space. It's not a distortion of space, it's a distortion of spaceTIME, and the difference is extremely important.

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-02 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Mauro Lacy Please take into account that when Hotson says 'imaginary direction' you can read '4th spatial dimension'. Are you familiar with the Dirac concept of reciprocal space? No, but I'll read about it. Reciprocal space

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-01 Thread Frank
[mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges Fran, Don't let Horace's negativity bother you. He can sound like an ass sometimes and doesn't realize it. I'm sure I can too, come to think of it. He has

[Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-01 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Jones wrote on 7-31-09: My advice is to read up on everything Don Hotson has written, and then try to contact him (if he is still alive). Last time I heard from him was over a year ago and he was ill. Actually, he is such a good writer, and poor speaker that everything you need is in his essays.

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thanks, Horace, this was enlightening. Is it fair to say that, a) The Casimir force is a surface phenomenon, unlike most common forces, which act on the body of the material, including all the forces mentioned below in (b); b) The net Casimir force which acts on a body due to the presence of

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-08-01 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Thanks, Horace, this was enlightening. Is it fair to say that, a) The Casimir force is a surface phenomenon, unlike most common forces, which act on the body of the material, including all the forces mentioned below in (b); Again,

[Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Hmm -- Horace, I had a question about a somewhat different proposal. You have proposed that if we let two plates come together, pushed by the Casimir force, then slide them apart sideways, and then repeat, we can get energy out of the

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Roarty, Francis X
snip Interestingly, the formulas for computing pressure along ZPF free lines between atoms match the formulas for computing the van der Waals retarding interaction between two atoms. It is my impression that, for this reason, there is some doubt in some of the physics community the ZPF

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 31, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Yes there are many people that contend that all can be explained using virtual photons and unbalanced forces inducing an electrostatic charge pulling the plates together but both schools agree the ratio of short to long vacuum

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner Virtual particle pairs pop into existence for an amount of time that does not violate Heisenberg. This has nothing to do with the ZPF exclusion from cavities. Well, I wouldn't be too sure of that. After all, IIRC someone in an Ivory Tower has

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[Snip] Your frequent use of the term vacuum fluctuations adds to the confusion in your writing. The term vacuum fluctuations is typically reserved for the particle aspect of vacuum energy, the creation of virtual particle pairs, i.e. electron-positron, proton- neutron, strange pairs, etc.

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner Virtual particle pairs pop into existence for an amount of time that does not violate Heisenberg. This has nothing to do with the ZPF exclusion from cavities. Well, I wouldn't be too sure of

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Horace Heffner
Frank, I could ask you to define flux, vacuum flux, short vacuum flux, long vacuum flux, etc. and ask you questions regarding your theories, ask you to quantify things, if you are capable of that, and maybe I can provide personal tutorials on one topic after another, but I am just too

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner The use of the term vacuum fluctuations instead of zero point field or even vacuum energy in regards to Casimir forces is just throwing another vegetable into the word salad. It's a tasty treat though. Puthoff is considered to be a great

Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner The use of the term vacuum fluctuations instead of zero point field or even vacuum energy in regards to Casimir forces is just throwing another vegetable into the word salad. It's a tasty treat

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Frank
, 2009 7:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner The use of the term vacuum fluctuations instead of zero point field or even vacuum energy in regards to Casimir

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Frank
conductors. hCpi^2/240a^4 for ideal conductors Why was my use of the term vacuum flux so wrong? Fran -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges On Jul 31

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges -corrected-

2009-07-31 Thread Frank
Jones, Thanks for the support, Can you clear up why my views are so different regarding vacuum fluctuation wavelengths? I know that 1.7Thz is thought to be the dividing line where frequency below are thought to be gravitationally active and I know that these flux must fit in whole number

RE: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges

2009-07-31 Thread Jones Beene
. hCpi^2/240a^4 for ideal conductors Why was my use of the term vacuum flux so wrong? Fran -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Casimir force at slab edges On Jul 31, 2009, at 1