The reactor could be acting like an infrared laser.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:51 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
But the question I've been trying to ask, isn't the color adjusted by
the emissivity
In my view at the very root of the LENR reaction, extreme magnetic
disturbance of the vacuum cause mesons to condense out of the vacuum as
real particles. This is where the electron eventually comes from: the
vacuum. Mesons decays into pions which in their turn decays into muons
which then decays
Static electricity. If I'm right, it has a positive charge. It's
probably asking too much for a electric field meter, eh?
not feel any current nor
measure any electromagnetic emission.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
There are types of magnetic EMF that cannot be shielded
electromagnetic emission.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Bob
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
Static electricity. If I'm right, it has a positive charge. It's
probably asking too
.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Bob
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*From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
There are types of magnetic EMF that cannot be shielded. Furthermore, if
large
do not feel any current
nor measure any electromagnetic emission.
Warm Regards
A.R.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
There are types of magnetic EMF that cannot be shielded
I'm a novice at this, (so please correct me if I'm wrong), but it didn't
take long to find references to the idea that ideal black-body radiation
color has to be modified by an emissivity factor.
Emissivity is a modifying factor used in single color thermometry to
achieve a correct
In this context the temperature /T/
is known
a-priori
and
the output power /q/
is known
a posteriori , so emissivity /ε/
will
adjust the ouptut power downwards
if
0
/ε/ 1
q = ε σ T^4 A
Harry
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
On 10/20/2014 04:30 PM, H Veeder wrote:
In this context the temperature /T/
is known
a-priori
and
the output power /q/
is known
a posteriori , so emissivity /ε/
will
adjust the ouptut power downwards
if
0
/ε/ 1
q = ε σ T^4 A
Harry
Right, but the internal
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10/20/2014 04:30 PM, H Veeder wrote:
In this context the temperature /T/
is known
a-priori
and
the output power /q/
is known
a posteriori , so emissivity /ε/
will
adjust the ouptut power
Maybe Jed is right. See this subjective colour temperature chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_radiation#Subjective_color_to_the_eye_of_a_black_body_thermal_radiator
Contrast with this chart which are presumably the true temperature
colours.
But the question I've been trying to ask, isn't the color adjusted by
the emissivity factor? So if the emissivity is 0.75, then doesn't this
mean that the observed color is less than the actual temperature?
Craig
On 10/20/2014 11:43 PM, H Veeder wrote:
Maybe Jed is right. See this
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
But the question I've been trying to ask, isn't the color adjusted by the
emissivity factor? So if the emissivity is 0.75, then doesn't this mean
that the observed color is less than the actual temperature?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
But the question I've been trying to ask, isn't the color adjusted by the
emissivity factor? So if the emissivity is 0.75, then doesn't this mean
that the observed color is less than the actual temperature?
-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 1:57 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Why would you expect the device to look white hot when a known metal casting
looks orange hot
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do metals appear differently than the materials that Mizuno was viewing?
Nope. As I said, all materials are incandescent at about the same color. It
is only temperature dependent.
- Jed
beware. :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 2:47 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
The caption under the picture doesn't make it clear how long the casting has
been out of the oven
Steel
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do metals appear differently than the materials that Mizuno was viewing?
Nope. As I said, all materials are incandescent at about the same color. It
is only temperature dependent.
- Jed
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be
estimated by observing its color. The result agrees well with measured
temperatures of lava flows at about 1,000 to 1,200 °C (1,830 to 2,190 °F).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pahoehoe_toe.jpg
There is one other important detail in the discussion of light vs.
temperature – the coherence or semi-coherence of the radiation. This is a
step above “intensity”.
If it is semi-coherent, the term “superradiance” is used. Even “invisible”
IR light can be extremely visible – blindingly visible,
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
Of course, Levi knew that from TP1 – he was told this by dozens of peers -
that he should have performed this task, yet he did not.
that this will always be the situation
regardless of what is done.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 11:30 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Color Temperature
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be estimated by observing its color.
The result agrees well with measured temperatures of lava flows at about
1,000 to
I disagree Dave. If you were to count the many hundreds if not thousands of
hours which have been wasted arguing over the thermometry, multiplied by the
hourly rate of the arguers, the actual cost to do excellent water flow
calorimetry would have been a small fraction of that – probably less
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I disagree Dave. If you were to count the many hundreds if not thousands of
hours which have been wasted arguing over the thermometry, multiplied by
the hourly rate of the arguers, the actual cost to do excellent water
Light bulbs are described by the color of the light that they produce. In
that regard, a temperature of 1200C would correspond to a red orange.
Only a Thermal Camera is calibrated to show accurate readings when imaging
glowing hot objects, a normal consumer camera will automatically make ISO
adjustments to bring the scene into a visible range. Depending on how you have
the camera aimed and pointed, you can make a dull red glow appear
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Color Temperature
I disagree Dave. If you were to count the many hundreds if not thousands of
hours which have been wasted arguing over the thermometry, multiplied by the
hourly rate of the arguers, the actual cost
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
The temperature of a Pāhoehoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lava#P.C4.81hoehoe lava flow can be estimated by observing its color.
The result agrees well with measured temperatures of lava flows at about
1,000 to 1,200 °C (1,830 to 2,190 °F).
And
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
I think flow calorimetry with this device at these temperatures would be
problematic. For
that what I found tends to
support what the testers observed.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 1:57 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Why would
Bob Cook wrote. Glass is not a black body in my estimation, and I would
expect it to look
different at any given temperature from a true black body.
Having looked inside 100 operating glass melters at temperatures ranging
from ambient to 1500C, at any temperature where things start to glow
From: Jed Rothwell
The discussion of color and temperature only mask the glaring reality that
an inexpensive way to be certain of thermal gain in the TP2 device is flow
calorimetry.
I think flow calorimetry with this device at these temperatures would be
problematic. For one thing, you
Any directly connected sensor may be unreliable and erratic because of the
production of intense RG radiation especially in a reactor without RF
shielding.
The only way to get good temperature data is through remote sensing,
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
be explained. A report
addendum is common.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Color Temperature
From: Jed Rothwell
The discussion of color and temperature only mask
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Common practice would be to calibrate the thermocouple before and after
the test. I think that, if the thermocouple were not working it would be
obvious . . .
If the thermocouple were not working the cell would overheat, wouldn't it?
I think it is a
, October 19, 2014 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
Any directly connected sensor may be unreliable and erratic because of the
production of intense RG radiation especially in a reactor without RF shielding.
The only way to get good temperature data is through remote sensing
]:Color Temperature
Any directly connected sensor may be unreliable and erratic because of
the production of intense RG radiation especially in a reactor without RF
shielding.
The only way to get good temperature data is through remote sensing,
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jones Beene
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Furthermore, if large amounts of electrons are being produced as a reaction
byproduct ...
How is conservation of charge maintained in this context?
Eric
Take a look at the article in wikipedia about color temperature. Unless I am
reading it incorrectly the color expected for a source at 1700K is quite
orange. This is in line with what is reported in the latest test.
Could someone take a moment to explain to me why the device should not be
Hi Dave,
Jed refers to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence
Regards.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Take a look at the article in wikipedia about color temperature. Unless I
am reading it incorrectly the color expected for a source at 1700K is
_Colour temperature_ refers to the *peak* emission of a blackbody whose
temperature produces a peak emission within the visible spectrum.
e.g. The surface of the sun is about 6000C and the peek emission is white
light so it has colour temperature of white.
_Incadescence_ is the *visible* light
white hot when a known metal casting
looks orange hot at approximately the same temperature? What am I missing?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 12:31 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
Sent: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 12:31 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature
_Colour temperature_ refers to the *peak* emission of a blackbody whose
temperature produces a peak emission within the visible spectrum.
e.g. The surface of the sun is about 6000C and the peek emission is
white light so
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Why would you expect the device to look white hot when a known metal
casting looks orange hot at approximately the same temperature? What am I
missing?
I think you are wrong. Mizuno and one other person with experience working
with glass told me
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