[Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Alan Fletcher
Taking the report at face value, the hotcat displays several of the standard LENR miracles .. Some evidence of nuclear reactions (though incomplete and a tiny sample: Li, Ni -- but no H, He ... examined) No radiation outside an alumina cylinder (though there may be a steel tube inside) No

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 1:36 pm Subject: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle Taking the report at face value, the hotcat displays several of the standard LENR miracles .. Some evidence of nuclear reactions (though incomplete

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: So either the temperature measurement is wrong, or we have another miracle, that seems to take place within the entire interior of the hotcat. I think part of our difficulty is that one hesitates to take the report at face

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
happen. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 1:36 pm Subject: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle Taking the report at face value, the hotcat displays several of the standard LENR miracles .. Some evidence

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
There was a directly observable miracle that showed unmelted nano structure on the surface of those nickel micro particles that should have melted at 1000C and yet where photographed after days of 1400C reactor operating temperatures. Those temperature differences are TOO LARGE to be due to poor

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There was a directly observable miracle that showed unmelted nano structure on the surface of those nickel micro particles that should have melted at 1000C and yet where photographed after days of 1400C reactor operating

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
The melting miracle may put into question some irrefutable logic about reactor melt down. It is assumed by all what are not judged to be nuts that when the reactor get up to 2000C during meltdown, the nickel particles are long since melted and something else is causing increasing temperature

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. It is difficult to believe. And yet, people do make large mistakes at times. If the photos in Fig.

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. It is difficult to believe. And yet, people do make large mistakes at times. See p. 11 here for examples of large

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
a lower temperature than the camera temperature and been more accurate. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle There was a directly observable miracle that showed unmelted

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: The isotopic analyses are a little amazing, and, as far as I can tell, do not give indications of a gradient effect in the 6Li and 62Ni species. ​ appendix 3 measured abundance in ash sample 6Li - 92.1% 7Li - 7.9%

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
? This is just an strange thought that came into my visualization. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle The melting miracle may put into question

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
, 2014 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle The melting miracle may put into question some irrefutable logic about reactor melt down. It is assumed by all what are not judged to be nuts that when the reactor get up to 2000C during meltdown, the nickel particles are long since

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
Dave and Axil, On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. ​​ ​Ordinarily a surface at 1400C should glow

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
Where are the neutrons? Must be a mistake. Where is the white glow? Must be another mistake. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:36 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: appendix 3 measured abundance in ash sample 6Li - 92.1% 7Li - 7.9% ​62Ni - 98.7%​ This is TOF-SIMS, secondary ion mass spectroscopy. It is a surface analysis. Heavy ions are accelerated towards the target and cause

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
Note that the Figure 12 of the Lugano report does not say when the photos were taken. It only says during the test. The pictures could have been taken while the device was in dummy test mode, while the device was heating up, while the device was cooling down. The report does not say what

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Maybe the intent of those pictures on page 12 was to show the heater wire shadows. The reactor may have gotten too hot to show what the testers wanted to show so they picked the pictures with the best wire shadow image regardless of the temperature. This might be a compromise made to tell the

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
page 12 should read page 25 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the intent of those pictures on page 12 was to show the heater wire shadows. The reactor may have gotten too hot to show what the testers wanted to show so they picked the pictures with

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
Right Axil - I meant to say Figure 12. Thanks for the correction. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: page 12 should read page 25 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the intent of those pictures on page 12 was to