Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:41:16 -0400: Hi Axil, [snip] http://crystalchannelers.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/new-science-the-widom-larsen-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-lenr-theory/ WL has gone with Surface Plasmon Polariton (SPP) electrons. This is a mistake,they cannot

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
The recent verification of the Higgs mechanism shows a connection between the electroweak force and spontaneous production of the W-bosons, W+ and W- involving spontaneous symmetry breaking. When sufficient electromagnetic charge carrying gage photons are concentrated near the nucleus of the

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 4/21/2013 2:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: When sufficient electromagnetic charge carrying gage photons are concentrated near the nucleus of the atom, The coupling constant between the charge carrying photons and the Higgs field will increase sufficiently to produce W+ or W- electroweak bosons

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
I've read all that. But your definitions seem in conflict with what I've read. - joe On 4/21/2013 3:41 PM, Axil Axil wrote: See Feynman's view of quantum electrodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamics See Force carrier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_carrier

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
Joseph did you read this? Gauge theories are important as the successful field theories explaining the dynamics of elementary particleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particles. Quantum electrodynamicshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamicsis an abelian

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
I have. I'm very familiar with the Standard Model. Let's just concentrate on one piece first. When you say change a neutron into a proton through color change I'm not sure what you're saying. When a neutron decays to a proton (plus e- and neutrino), it's because a d quark has decayed to a u

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
Thanks, It's flavor, not color. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III j...@barrera.orgwrote: I have. I'm very familiar with the Standard Model. Let's just concentrate on one piece first. When you say change a neutron into a proton through color change I'm not sure

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. The recent verification of the Higgs mechanism shows a connection between the electroweak force and spontaneous production of the W-bosons, W+ and W- involving spontaneous symmetry breaking. When sufficient electromagnetic

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 4/21/2013 5:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: It seems a little premature to talk about the behavior of the Higgs particle at this point. I am not aware of any tests that have been conducted to support the assumed characteristics It appears to (a) have spin 0 and (b) interacts with other

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. On 4/21/2013 5:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: It seems a little premature to talk about the behavior of the Higgs particle at this point. I am not aware of any tests that have been conducted to support the assumed characteristics It appears to (a) have

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. The recent verification of the Higgs mechanism shows a connection between the electroweak force and spontaneous production of the W-bosons, W+ and W- involving spontaneous symmetry

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Many of the great discoveries were there in plain view for years until someone got lucky. My favorite example is the laser which could have been discovered over 100 years ago (gas type instead of ruby rod) had physics

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
LENR may well be an outgrowth of the Higgs field. Now wouldn’t that be something? Poetic justice Axil. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. It seems

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Many of the great discoveries were there in plain view

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
: Joseph S. Barrera III j...@barrera.org To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. On 4/21/2013 5:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: It seems a little premature to talk about the behavior of the Higgs particle at this point. I am

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Achaemenides developed the first celestreal computer The Antikythera mechanism (pron.: /ˌæntɨkɨˈθɪərə/ ant-i-ki-theer-ə or /ˌæntɨˈkɪθərə/ ant-i-kith-ə-rə) is an ancient analog computer[1][2

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 4/21/2013 6:15 PM, David Roberson wrote: It is important that the Higgs appears to have the correct spin. This apparently is required to get to the starting gate. Are you aware of any recent measurements of this interaction with other particles which can only occur in this manner? I can

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. The Higg particle(s) is not the important consideration. It is the action of the Higgs field that makes the electroweak force work. The Higgs mechanism was incorporated into modern particle physics

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread David Roberson
screws up bad. On 4/21/2013 6:15 PM, David Roberson wrote: It is important that the Higgs appears to have the correct spin. This apparently is required to get to the starting gate. Are you aware of any recent measurements of this interaction with other particles which can only occur

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Many of the great discoveries were there in plain view for years until someone got lucky. My favorite example

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 4/21/2013 7:58 PM, David Roberson wrote: There may be much more evidence than I am aware of regarding the behavior of the Higgs, but I am of the understanding that there are not many of these to observe. Of course, the decay particles can be measured, but in my way of thinking this is a

[Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-20 Thread Axil Axil
NASA has screwed up bad. They have embraced both the Widom-Larsen (W-L) theory and polaritons in the same framework. They are incompatible. In the NASA LENR patent as follows: “A method for producing heavy electrons is based on a material system that includes an electrically-conductive material

Re: [Vo]:NASA screws up bad.

2013-04-20 Thread Axil Axil
http://crystalchannelers.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/new-science-the-widom-larsen-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-lenr-theory/ WL has gone with Surface Plasmon Polariton (SPP) electrons. This is a mistake,they cannot do this because of the lack of energy density in the SPP, IMHO. The WL theory must