In reply to Bob Cook's message of Mon, 19 May 2014 16:37:16 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin--
Would a crack cause alignment of magnetic lines of force better than the
uniform lattice. If so, a crack in conjunction with magnetic field may be
the NAE Ed has discussed.
Bob
I would think that due to
You see something similar in Andrew Meulenberg's Extended Lochon Model,
accept that he emphasizes the importance of electrostatic forces in and
around linear NAE. All the best models, I think, are pointing in this
direction of a sort of trap (whether magnetic or electrostatic). Even
Ed's theory
From: David Roberson
I believe that the term gamma ray is reserved for photons
that originate from the nucleus. The energy of these rays is not the
criteria.
One would suppose that the energy contained within the
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 17 May 2014 16:39:46 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
I don't think Ed was necessarily claiming that the method of energy loss
was through conversion of electron mass.
Well Robin, he did say the energy in his
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 17 May 2014 20:06:20 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
I'm not sure what other forces are thought to be at play, but I think that
Ed believes the cracks in his theory to be responsible or partly
responsible for confining the precursors to a single dimension.
What has
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26:56 -0700:
Hi Jones,
What do you make of the following message from the archives?
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg90378.html
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Well, there is also a possible
Hi Robin,
Sounds more like Randell Mills than Storms ... and now that you mention it,
I remember being surprised to hear this from Ed at the time - since it
raises more questions than it answers. The HUGE unsolved problem is that
with deuterium as the active gas, two deuterons cannot shed
Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Hi Robin,
Sounds more like Randell Mills than Storms ... and now that you mention
it,
I remember being surprised to hear this from Ed at the time - since it
raises more
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--You seem to conclude spin coupling is possible, why not in this
case.
Bob - Spin coupling should easily be possible for a low to intermediate
range of energies per atom - my guess is that it is sub-eV range, possibly
milli-eV, but even if it
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Can you find anything in the literature that would indicate the very high
levels of energy transfer via spin coupling which would be necessary? That
would be a good start. After all, we are talking about nuclear spin
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--You seem to conclude spin coupling is possible, why not in this
case.
Bob - Spin coupling
: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Can you find anything in the literature that would indicate the very high
levels of energy
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 17 May 2014 07:11:07 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Hi Robin,
Sounds more like Randell Mills than Storms ... and now that you mention it,
I remember being surprised to hear this from Ed at the time - since it
raises more questions than it answers. The HUGE unsolved
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
I don't think Ed was necessarily claiming that the method of energy loss
was through conversion of electron mass.
Well Robin, he did say the energy in his theory was shed as photons. There
are only two possibilities for the source -
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:10 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I agree, however I think the claim was that they do lose a significant
portion
of their own mass, though I'm not at all clear on how that is supposed to
happen.
This is how I understand Ed's theory. The mass-energy that is converted
spectrum into smaller more coherent slots.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 7:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
I don't think Ed
need a cookbook of how to make proton stew. :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:10 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I agree
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 7:57 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If your description of the process is accurate then one must assume that
the nucleons become attracted and bound to each other as the fusion
progresses.
Personally, I do not set much store in Ed's theory. I'm no
Dave--
I am thinking along the same lines that you suggest below.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Jones,
I believe that the term gamma ray is reserved
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700:
Hi,
Nucleons are little magnets. Different orientations mean differing amounts of
magnetic energy, hence different energy states for the nucleus as a whole.
Obviously there is one combination of orientations which is less
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin--
You stated: Different combinations of spin states show up as excited
states of the nucleus.
Usually these relax to the ground state in short order with emission of a
gamma
ray.
BTW, I should have said one or
14, 2014 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
I beg to differ, Robin...
Nature does have a preference... resonances/harmonics.
A channel's probability is a function of how well the oscillations are
matched.
-mark
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From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix
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From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 09:04:35 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Since nature prefers the simplest way - which is via radiation
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 18:18:23 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Much depends upon how the reaction energy is stored within the nucleus. Does
anyone recall seeing good evidence that it is stored as spin energy of the
nucleons? Large nuclei such as nickel likely have
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 15:39:43 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Well, there is also a possible analogy of the QM depletion zone, which might
arise in a combined type of Millsean-LENR situation, such that the makeup
nuclear reaction only occurs in a severely energy depleted zone
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Well, there is also a possible analogy of the QM depletion zone, which
might arise in a combined type of Millsean-LENR situation, such that the
makeup nuclear reaction only occurs in a severely depleted zone (due to
orbital redundancy being
would occur.
Mark--Does this make any sense?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
To follow up, another interesting tidbit in that Wikipage
of the usual emission of a
gamma photon.
-mark
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:27 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Mark--
A simple definition of a metastable nuclear isomer and how they can be
created is warranted
This is somewhat similar to the lochon explanation: Lochon Catalyzed D-D
Fusion in Deuterated Palladium in the Solid State by Sinha and Meulenberg
Lochons are hypothesized to be electron pairs which can form on a deuteron
to give D- (which is a bosonic ion) in Palladium Deuteride. Supposedly,
]:Nuclear isomer
This is somewhat similar to the lochon explanation: Lochon Catalyzed D-D
Fusion in Deuterated Palladium in the Solid State by Sinha and Meulenberg
Lochons are hypothesized to be electron pairs which can form on a deuteron to
give D- (which is a bosonic ion) in Palladium Deuteride
Fran,
The good-news bad-news problem with down-conversion of x-rays, as well as
the other hypotheses for the absence of high energy gamma radiation,
including that of Hagelstein, is that yes, they could possibly operate some
of the time, or even most of the time. The mechanism may sound logical,
to lower energy
states should not involve gammas or x-rays only distribution/conservation of
angular momentum.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Fran,
The good
Hi Bob,
I agree that spin coupling is possible, even likely. However, what is
missing from the discussion is the issue of exclusivity. How does spin
coupling suddenly become the only route to shed energy, especially when it
never was more than a minor route in standard physics?
In short, just
If the energy levels between isomers are small enough there may be a
more soft radiation.
It may exist a sett of un known isomers of He4, He3, T and maybe D and
Li6.
If hydrogen nucleus come together (p+D, D+D, p+T, D+T, T+T) through a
mechanisms like those
proposed by Hagelstein or by Storms
-Original Message-
From: torulf.gr...@bredband.net
If the energy levels between isomers are small enough there may be a more
soft radiation. It may exist a set of unknown isomers of He4, He3 ...For
this isomers there must exist a huge number of lower energy stage and a
relative
Storms theory may get into this?
On Wed, 14 May 2014 13:45:26 -0700, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
-Original Message-
From: torulf.gr...@bredband.net
If the energy levels between isomers are small enough there may be a more
soft radiation. It may exist a set of unknown
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 06:35:38 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Problem is - the alpha is slow and the electrons are very fast - so that
with this and other forms of IC, the ejected electron(s) is extremely
energetic and the bremsstrahlung from it would be just as obvious as
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 09:04:35 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
In short, just like with the Hagelstein hypothesis, we are not dealing just
with merely an alternative route to shed high energy - but instead - to an
exclusive alternative.
As I see it, the only way any
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 14 May 2014 09:04:35 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Since nature prefers the simplest way - which is via radiation, any mention
of exclusivity presents an almost insurmountable problem, especially if
there is no model in standard nuclear physics.
Actually nature has
In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Tue, 13 May 2014 22:25:37 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
If you go back through the archives, you will see that I have mentioned a
modified form of IC frequently in connection with Hydrino fusion.
However, as Jones pointed out, it does have the problem of producing
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 14, 2014 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Tue, 13 May 2014 22:25:37 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
If you go back through the archives, you will see that I have
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
In short, just like with the Hagelstein hypothesis, we are not dealing with
merely an alternative route to shed high energy - but instead - to an
exclusive alternative
As I see it, the only way any alternative can be exclusive is if the
fractionation may not be exclusive.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Hi Bob,
I agree that spin coupling is possible, even likely. However, what is
missing
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Most excitation of Nuclei to determine isomeric states has been via
neutron activation or proton excitation using reactors for neutrons or
accelerators for protons. Not much has been via electromagnetic excitation.
Yes, that is a good point, but not
Vorts,
A Fellow Friend of Fringe Facts sent me to gander at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer
And here is what caught my attention that might apply to LENR/CF:
---
Internal conversion
Metastable isomers may also decay by internal conversion
.
---
All together now.
Where, oh where, did the gamma rays go...
Oh where, oh where can they be!
-mark iverson
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer
Vorts,
A Fellow Friend
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