In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:59:56 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Well Harry, I've done my best. I have nothing more to contribute.
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a
Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:35:43 -
0400:Hi,
Ok, I
This link is for Harry;
Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091011071349.htm
Doesn't sound like anything is ever going to be powered by it.
Ron
--On Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:28 AM +1100 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
At 06:20 PM 10/13/2009, Ron Wormus wrote:
This link is for Harry;
Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091011071349.htm
Doesn't sound like anything is ever going to be powered by it.
Ron
Yeah. Persistent Current
Ok, I guess it is necessary to distinguish between a capacitor, a
battery and an EMF. Both a battery and a capacitor can produce a
current for a _limited_ period of time, whereas an EMF can produce a
current for an _unlimited_ period of time.
With that in mind, let me refine the question. Can a
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:39:47 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The electrons must be recirculated in order to maintain a steady
current. If an electric field is the same as an EMF, then the electric
field must form a closed loop, otherwise electrons would pile up at the
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a
Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:52:54 -
0400:Hi,
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:20:00 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The 'positive' in between is what makes the equations work out. I
think you
are having a problem because you expect the net EMF to integrate to
zero (begin
point = end point), which it would do if you take
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:52:54 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The complete circle/loop/circuit is this:
'negative' to 'negative' (with a 'positive' in between).
The 'positive' in between is what makes the equations work out. I think you
are having a problem because you
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:33:25 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
I've shown a roughly square wire loop, with a capacitor in the bottom
leg of the loop, and I've shown arrows next to the wire
indicating the
direction of the E field at all points. The capacitor plates are
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:33:25 -
0400:Hi,
[snip]
I've shown
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29,
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Yup, but that is not what bothers me. I have been unable to
consistently apply the concept of an _electric field_ around
a circuit with a steady current without it ending in a
contradiction.
harry
That's because
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a
Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:54:07 -
0400:Hi,
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
Harry Veeder wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
If an electric field exists outside and parallel to the current
carrying wire, and the wire is a loop it implies the electric
field lines would
form a closed loop. However, this is not suppose to possible.
Certainly it
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
harry veeder wrote:
Weber's theory predicts a force (distinct from a lorenz force)
Could you be a bit more specific here?
Last I heard the Lorentz force, F = q(E + vxB), fully explained the
behavior of charged particles in E and B fields.
This clipping
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
If an electric field exists outside and parallel to the current
carrying wire, and the wire is a loop it implies the electric
field lines would
form a closed loop. However, this is not suppose to possible.
Certainly it is. It's only
This is an important subject. I hope there will be results.
David
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field
Harry Veeder wrote:
If an electric field exists outside and parallel to the current carrying
wire, and the wire is a loop it implies the electric field lines would
form a closed loop. However, this is not suppose to possible.
Certainly it is. It's only possible, however, if there's a
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
I've added some minor clarifications to my example of two wires:
Stephen A.
Harry Veeder wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Maxwell's theory needs the field concept. The theory says and
electric force can not be present without an electric field.
If we follow Maxwell's theory to the letter, it says there will
be no
electric field outside a
I've added some minor clarifications to my example of two wires:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Maxwell's theory needs the field concept. The theory says and
electric force can not be present without an electric field.
If we
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Maxwell's theory needs the field concept. The theory says and
electric force can not be present without an electric field.
If we follow Maxwell's theory to the letter, it says there will
be no
electric field outside a current
I don't know. Perhaps you are right. My understanding of the theory
is limited, but please read the introduction here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q6634pp556m08500/fulltext.pdf
Even Feynman and Maxwell say there is no e-field.
Harry
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From: Stephen A.
Haven't read beyond their derivations of 1/ the force due to the
charges induced in the wire by the test charge and 2/ the force
proportional to the current in the resistive wire, but these two are
clearly real, whether the formulae they propose are correct or not.
The first one doesn't deserve
Harry wrote:
Foundations of Physics
© Plenum Publishing Corporation 1999
10.1023/A:1018874523513
The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
A. K. T. Assis, W. A. Rodrigues Jr. and A. J. Mania
Abstract We present the opinion of some authors who
Harry Veeder wrote:
fyi Harry
Foundations of Physics © Plenum Publishing Corporation 1999
10.1023/A:1018874523513
The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a
Constant Current
A. K. T. Assis, W. A. Rodrigues Jr. and A. J. Mania
Abstract We present the opinion of
Maxwell's theory needs the field concept. The theory says and electric force
can not be present without an electric field.
If we follow Maxwell's theory to the letter, it says there will be no
electric field outside a current carrying wire. Consequently, the theory
leads one to expect an
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
From: Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire
Carrying a Constant Current
fyi
Harry
Foundations of Physics
© Plenum Publishing Corporation 1999
10.1023/A:1018874523513
The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a
Constant Current
A. K. T. Assis, W. A. Rodrigues Jr. and A. J. Mania
Abstract We present the opinion of some authors who believe
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