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2015-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:19:18 -0700: Hi, [snip] I guess the reason is that LENR has always been considered a condensed matter reaction, not a gas or liquid phase reaction. The alumina is still solid, even if the Ni is not. If we consider the Ni to be the LENR

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2015-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jack Cole's message of Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:23:05 -0600: Hi, [snip] It's very difficult to make this type of seal. When the cement is wet, the hydrogen easily passes through. I use a dangerous gas detector as I heat it up, but as yet, have not achieved a seal in experiments I've

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2015-01-01 Thread David Roberson
]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Ryan Hunt (HUG, MFMP) did a post-mortem on the reactor tube from the first experiment with the dogbone and fuel as described by Parkhomov. He found a gross failure of the seal of the plug in the tube. Also, because he didn't shake it to distribute

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2014-12-31 Thread Jack Cole
It's very difficult to make this type of seal. When the cement is wet, the hydrogen easily passes through. I use a dangerous gas detector as I heat it up, but as yet, have not achieved a seal in experiments I've tried. A lot of the cement requires heating to fully cure, but heating causes

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2014-12-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why don't just ask Parkhomov? 2014-12-31 9:23 GMT-02:00 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com: It's very difficult to make this type of seal. When the cement is wet, the hydrogen easily passes through. I use a dangerous gas detector as I heat it up, but as yet, have not achieved a seal in experiments

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2014-12-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes! On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: You mean, achieved a device to bring on global cooling?? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: It could have been worse, we

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2014-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no excess heat was found. As I said, I have a feeling that is too hot. I think the Lugano temperature may have

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Cook
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no excess heat was found. The likely suspect

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2014-12-31 Thread Jones Beene
CB Sites wrote: Wow, Replication fails. They had the dog bone so hot the steel stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No radiation. My take on it was that the MFMP dogbone may suffer from a bad design choice, more so than from a leak. The

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
I think the heater is a heater; and Kanthal as the heater wire has nothing to do with it. We now believe that Rossi may have used a SiC heater element and that also has no Ni. I also don't believe that the H2 just comes out through the 99.8% high purity alumina reactor tube. The tubes MFMP

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Cook
Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. I think the heater is a heater; and Kanthal as the heater wire has nothing to do with it. We now believe that Rossi may have

Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

2014-12-31 Thread Bob Cook
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. I think the heater is a heater; and Kanthal as the heater wire has nothing to do with it. We now believe that Rossi may have used a SiC heater element

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2014-12-31 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * * I think the heater is a heater; and Kanthal as the heater wire has nothing to do with it. We now believe that Rossi may have used a SiC heater element and that also has no Ni. The SiC is nonsense. You have no basis for the belief that kanthal has nothing

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2014-12-31 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:58 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe This worried James Joule​. Harry On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: As best as I could tell, it looks like

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
See inline below ... On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Bob Higgins Ø I think the heater is a heater; and Kanthal as the heater wire has nothing to do with it. We now believe that Rossi may have used a SiC heater element and that also has

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2014-12-31 Thread David Roberson
away? Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 10:06 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Based on analysis of Lugano

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2014-12-31 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * JB: Then you are mistaken. The purity is immaterial – the porosity is everything. Of course, if MFMP used a fused tube then that is another design flaw. * BH: The tube MFMP used is a high purity, high (near theoretical) density alumina tube Well, there you

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
See inline below ... On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Bob Higgins Ø JB: Then you are mistaken. The purity is immaterial – the porosity is everything. Of course, if MFMP used a fused tube then that is another design flaw. Ø BH:

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2014-12-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: What puzzles me the most is why such a small amount of nickel is not completely vaporized by an emission of that much heat. Again, this suggests the possibility that the LENR output is low energy photons, which

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
I guess the reason is that LENR has always been considered a condensed matter reaction, not a gas or liquid phase reaction. The alumina is still solid, even if the Ni is not. If we consider the Ni to be the LENR active material, I presumed it needed to be in some form of condensed state. On

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2014-12-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Jed, The setup used by MFMP uses the surrounding room temperature as the sink for heat generated within their device. Room temperature air. Water transfers heat a lot better. I'll bet there is a larger temperature difference between the inside and the

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2014-12-31 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * CoorsTek is the major supplier of such alumina forms - they have been around forever in this market. The choice is AD998 (99.8% alumina) or mullite ( http://css.coorstek.com/scripts/css512.wsc/op/op_indexB2C.html ). Yes - CoorsTek is no doubt the major US supplier,

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
See inline below ... On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Bob Higgins Ø None of these substrates are porous. That may not be true for even the specialty material CoorsTek 998, but clearly 96% is porous and in fact anything less than 100%

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Cook
cross section with Uranium.) Bob Cook - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Jed, The setup used by MFMP uses the surrounding room temperature

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Jed, The setup used by MFMP uses the surrounding room temperature as the sink for heat generated within their device. That should appear cooler to the actual heat generating device than a water

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2014-12-31 Thread David Roberson
]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Jed, The setup used by MFMP uses the surrounding room temperature as the sink for heat generated within their device. Room temperature air. Water transfers heat a lot better. I'll bet there is a larger

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2014-12-31 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Ø The fact that the alumina is not 100% theoretically dense does not mean that the remainder is air/porosity. The remainder is a much lighter weight silicate glass in the grain boundaries The density of silicates is slightly lower than alumina - 2.65 compared to 3.95

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2014-12-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: In either of these three cases I would expect the active device to get hotter than had it been subjected to open air cooling. The trend is the same. The device may be hotter than it would be in the case of open-air

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2014-12-31 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. Jed, The setup used by MFMP uses the surrounding room temperature as the sink for heat generated within their device. That should appear cooler to the actual heat

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2014-12-31 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: In either of these three cases I would

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2014-12-31 Thread CB Sites
replication effort live on youtube. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: In either of these three cases I would expect the active device to get hotter than had it been subjected to open air cooling. The trend is the same. The device may be hotter than

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
Ryan cemented a type-B platinum thermocouple though the center of the plug. So he had actual data on the core temperature which got to about 1200C. The thermocouple at the surface only reported getting to about 850C at the same time. Parkhomov measured his temperature in between - on the

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2014-12-31 Thread Bob Higgins
Ryan Hunt (HUG, MFMP) did a post-mortem on the reactor tube from the first experiment with the dogbone and fuel as described by Parkhomov. He found a gross failure of the seal of the plug in the tube. Also, because he didn't shake it to distribute the powder, the powder ended up in the opposite

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2014-12-30 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVz-6XGBePM

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2014-12-30 Thread CB Sites
Wow, Replication fails. They had the dog bone so hot the steel stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No radiation. On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVz-6XGBePM

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2014-12-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, Replication fails. They had the dog bone so hot the steel stand holding it was white hot. But power in was equal to power out. No radiation. I have a hunch that was too hot. As the proverbial shaggy dog was too shaggy, since we are using

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2014-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I thought all they did was calibration. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2014-12-30 Thread Bob Higgins
Based on analysis of Lugano and Parkhomov work, excess heat begins at about 950C. The MFMP dogbone core was measured to be over 1200C and no excess heat was found. The likely suspect is that the glue used to seal the reactor tube failed, allowing a leak of the H2 when the LiAlH4 decomposed. The

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2014-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess I missed some part them. But I never saw a so beautiful metal glow! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2014-12-30 Thread CB Sites
As best as I could tell, it looks like this was a dud. Heat in = Heat out. It was frustrating to see. On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I missed some part them. But I never saw a so beautiful metal glow! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ

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2014-12-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: As best as I could tell, it looks like this was a dud. Heat in = Heat out. It was frustrating to see. On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Daniel Rocha

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2014-12-30 Thread John Berry
You mean, achieved a device to bring on global cooling?? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: As best as I could tell,