Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-18 Thread Harvey Norris
What does CoE stand for, I guess it means in a closed system? Thy symbols dont match the words very well, so I cant find the meaning Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Sun, 6/17/12, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-18 Thread Robert Lynn
Church of England (or possibly Conservation of Energy) On 18 June 2012 17:10, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: What does CoE stand for, I guess it means in a closed system? Thy symbols dont match the words very well, so I cant find the meaning Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-18 Thread Harry Veeder
ha! Harry On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Church of England (or possibly Conservation of Energy) On 18 June 2012 17:10, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: What does CoE stand for, I guess it means in a closed system? Thy symbols dont

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-18 Thread Harvey Norris
Well pardon me, that seems obvious, but I dont think I saw those words anywhere in the original post. I wish that folks using abbreviations could do that for the ones they use. --- On Mon, 6/18/12, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-18 Thread Harry Veeder
I don't think concept of entanglement is required. Here is what I mean by complete. An entity is complete when its presence *can* be detected (not that it must detected). Unlike other particles Neutrinos do not scatter, as far I know. A particle which can be scattered can be detected without

[Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I'm curious as to how fellow Vorts would answer this question. What are the chances that there is at least one undiscovered form of energy yet to be discovered? 0=No F*in Way 1=slight chance 2=reasonable chance 3=very good chance 4=I'm certain there are undiscovered forms of energy

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread David Roberson
Mark, you ask the tough questions. When I consider the possibility of a new energy form I have to think of the historic past. We are notoriously incapable of imagining things such as this unless some well observed phenomenon is unknown and accepted as true. Anything our senses can not

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread David Roberson
Eric, perhaps you noticed my reference to neutrinos easily escaping the system along with their associated energy. That was my way of evading the CoE in the closed environment. Actually, that was the way they were originally proposed; a way to explain the variation in energy associated with

RE: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I’m probably sitting between 3 to 4, and here is why… Empirical evidence for the existence of the zero-point field (ZPF) is now well established… what that means is that there is something present that we are only recently beginning to understand. The only important question relevant to

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread Harry Veeder
The apparent lack of anti-matter in the universe is also conundrum from the standpoint of CoE. harry On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread Harry Veeder
With respect to neutrinos and beta decay, CoE may be a possibility rather than a necessity. Neutrinos would be regarded as incomplete entities at the moment of their creation. They remain incomplete until they are destroyed during a subsequent interaction. As long as they never interact, they

Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...

2012-06-17 Thread David Roberson
That is an interesting comment Harry. Are you suggesting that the neutrino is entangled with an electron other than the one released at the time of the decay? The oscillation between flavors of neutrinos makes that seem strange as it would require the end receptor to change with distance and