Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: To be included in the disadvantages of a new technology are ones relating to existing regulations and to sunk capital costs. Yes. It is hard to predict the effect of regulations on cold fusion. Sunk capital costs for equipment and infrastructure can

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
one point to support your vision jed, no grid, agains what I propose as possible, a microgrid, can be found with It, Internet. if you see internet it is both like a grid with utilities, the internet provider, servers, sites, DNS, routers ... and individual resources, PC, personal wifinetwork...

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: However, I agree with the notion that having people stringing electrical lines without enough expertise would be dangerous. I rather saw that decisions about how where and why to 'string wires' would be determined by the neighbors interested in a

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: just putting 2 generators on the same home-grid is not so simple. it is like having two internet access on the same network. (with DC it can be simpler, or not). No, it is easy. One generator is in the emergency standby mode. If the first one goes

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:49:34 +0100: Hi, [snip] just putting 2 generators on the same home-grid is not so simple. it is like having two internet access on the same network. (with DC it can be simpler, or not). ...that's why they should be designed and sold as a

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
you are right that regulation of the grid is essential for safety, and stability. Of course I assumed that the engineering regulation would be respected, the regulation i talk abou are not about safety but just to protect utilisties as often regulation are exploited by politicians. just putting 2

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: 2- shared devices are too much regulated and taxed to be affordable/usable. 2 will be probably true untill utilities die... That is an interesting point. Come to think of it, a small shared electric grid should be highly regulated. It would be a

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-20 Thread Lennart Thornros
Eric, I think your statement has a lot of validity. In addition it supports my idea that large organizations are bad from all points of view and the advantages they had are now obsolete due to our easy and reliable information capacity. I will think the banks are very good examples. European banks

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: When the new technology can do everything the old one does, and more, at a lower cost with other advantages such as speed and convenience, the old technology invariably goes away. To be included in the disadvantages

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread Axil Axil
I have never seen a 70 rpm record, but I have seen and heard 78 RPMs, All those wonderful character giving scratches and pops...they stored all those pre-war hits: happy days are here again was my favorite. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:45 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Gasp! What will happen to my utility pension? Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread H Veeder
The telegraph was an amazing invention but it did not make sending letters by mail obsolete. The invention of the airplane did not make the train obsolete. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The telegraph was an amazing invention but it did not make sending letters by mail obsolete. That is because telegraphs were far more expensive than letters, and they could not transmit pictures and other non-textual information. The invention of e-mail

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread John Berry
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Your vision of the LENR future is too limited. I am not talking about LENR. I am talking about the economics and cost efficiency of different energy systems, such as central generation, PV and -- in the future -- LENR. Every technology has built-in

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
http://phys.org/news/2015-01-einstein-spooky-action-quantum-networks.html Quantum entanglement is contagious. If the number of LENR units is pervasive inside your house, the level of entanglement in your house may reach a critical level that may not be good for you. Your body may be absorbed into

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-einstein-spooky-action-quantum-networks.html Quantum entanglement is contagious. If the number of LENR units is pervasive inside your house, the level of entanglement in your house may reach a critical level that may not be good

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
The EPR paradox pointed out that two well-separated systems can have a strange type of quantum connection, so that what happens in one system seems to immediately affect the other. This connection has recently been called 'EPR steering entanglement'. EPR steering is the nonlocality – what Albert

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
Jed, Your vision of the LENR future is too limited. A LENR reactor will function like a battery where the required current is supplied intelligently. These units will plug either into your house circuit or and/or each of your appliances as an option. The Constitution of the USA will be amended

[Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: the big question is how the utilities, the grid will react. if the grid moves quickly to a microgrid, a mesh-grid, a smart producer grid, then people will be happy to save some investment on their CHP with a sharing platform. I predict that cold