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2015-04-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I care about Jed because I perceive him as very influential within cold fusion community. You are mistaken. I am not influential. But he is not flawless, and I perceive his judgment on DGT as written in stone, probably mine too . . . This has

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2015-04-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Daniel: Talk to my hand! I now offer some extended pontifications, at the expense of others: . . . This is for Daniel: Claiming that Jed has behaved in a childish manner - see: https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg102587.html or that some of Jed's

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2015-04-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Talk to my hand! Ok... now that the rhetoric seems to have finally settled down... Here's my short commentary: After reading this long and tedious thread which indicated at least to me the sad fact that few cared to learn anything useful from the exchanges that ensued other than to

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2015-04-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
I care about Jed because I perceive him as very influential within cold fusion community. But he is not flawless, and I perceive his judgment on DGT as written in stone, probably mine too, as I have somethings that I perceive true, as you say. I know, wherever argument he uses, he will twist in

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2015-04-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
See, twisting facts. Never said that. 2015-04-24 15:25 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: You also seem to have the strange notion that the people at DE would liquidate their company and write off millions of dollars of investment because they happen to hear that Defkalion owes me

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2015-04-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
Talk to my hand!

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2015-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I certainly won't believe in you. You even distort a distortion. You do not even believe Xanthoulis or Hadjichristos! Apparently you do not believe anyone. Your information on this subject must come from your own imagination.

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2015-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, not reliable to what point? They were unreliable because the COP20. The people I spoke with said there was no evidence of excess heat. The calorimetry was wrong. That is also what the president of Deflakion, Alexander Xanthoulis, said about

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2015-04-23 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, I certainly won't believe in you. You even distort a distortion.

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2015-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Their presentations on ICCF 18 were quite good, though not flawless. The president of Defkalion, Alexander Xanthoulis, said that the demonstration at ICCF18 failed. He said it was a mistake. He said that several times, including here:

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, in order to avoid naming the bulls, Gambarele indeed got something more than required, I knew that before this DGTE controversy appeared.

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Where did Defkalion said about millions? Or was it a promise to invest? And, who are these everyone you know who saw the system? They could had claimed otherwise, but you are distorting their claims because of your vanity over a couple of dollars.

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
I have read the Airbus patent. That Airbus system is the dekalion system. The motives of Gamberale are becoming more clear. How did Airbus get this technology? Not from Rossi. If Deflalion had nothing, then Gamberale has nothing to sell. But he is a new hot item in LENR, how and why did Gamberale

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2015-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Where did Defkalion said about millions? When DE was formed. Or was it a promise to invest? I have no idea how much Defkalion put in. Some money came from the other partner, Mose. You could see from the facilities and the number of people that

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
I prefer to get to the truth on my own. Not being bound any confidences leaves an open field for unencumbered investigation as time moves forward. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, you are close to the truth. It's flying in your face. But you

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
If the DGT system did not work, why did AIRBUS use it as the basis of their design and why is Gamberale the primary technical expert in that design? Where did Gamberale get his expertise? Is the AIRBUS system a fraud too? It took Rossi years to come up with a reactor design, but it took AIRBUS

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, not reliable to what point? They were unreliable because the COP20. That's Mats distorting words

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Their presentations on ICCF 18 were quite good, though not flawless. Also, Kim's extended work with them. Right, I know a gnome, a leprechaun and a dwarf. They said DGT was OK.

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
Can someone find out who designed the AIRBUS system. How long did it take to research the physics, chemistry, materials etc,,, Who designed the reactor? How long did it take? How long did the testing take? How long did it take to write the patent? Who has the connections to look into these issues?

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2015-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: You think they invested millions and they filed against Defkalion! Defkalion said DE invested millions. Granted, they were not a reliable source, but DE also said so, so I guess it is true. It was obvious from the lab and other facilities that they

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Axil, you are close to the truth. It's flying in your face. But you should ask our mutual friend Peter Gluck about it.

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's not a secret. Just ask him :)

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
You think they invested millions and they filed against Defkalion! They just used mats for the bad publicity. Not that is expensive, but, you took the work up to yourself. 2015-04-22 17:20 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: First, Gamberale and others established a new company

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
Dr. Kim is the ultimate in acidemic and profectional eithics. He worked with DGT for a long time and put his name on their decoveries. I neleive Dr. Kim. The following is my view of what happened and why, The current LENR development scene is becoming an increasingly complex one and difficult to

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
From E catworld Mats Lewan https://disqus.com/by/matslewan/ • a month ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/22/airbus-files-patent-for-lenr-power-generating-device/#comment-1922290544 Since there are similarities to the LENR technology described by Defkalion, I wonder if Airbus could have been

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2015-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
More... AlainCo https://disqus.com/by/AlainCo/ Sanjeev http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/22/airbus-files-patent-for-lenr-power-generating-device/#comment-1922347660 • a month ago http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/22/airbus-files-patent-for-lenr-power-generating-device/#comment-1922382587 I see

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2015-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Gabarelle and others relied on the childish hatred of Jed of his imaginary debt with DGT and the naivete of Mats Lewan, also his faith in Rossi, to spread the made up data. . . . Let me see if I understand the scenario you are describing. First,

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2015-04-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Gabarelle and others relied on the childish hatred of Jed of his imaginary debt with DGT and the naivete of Mats Lewan, also his faith in Rossi, to spread the made up data. They were threatening DGT since right after ICCF18 (which was the best high yield test of high power done to date) to leave

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2015-04-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
in business and game theory, the fact that DGT got silent after such strong accusation , that the CTO changed job, the manager of international development resigned immediately, and nothing happened anymore, is an evidence much stronger than calorimetry. question now is if there was some tiny

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2015-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This looks like the way DGT produced their reaction. They did not produce a reaction. It was experimental error. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf - Jed

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2015-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
Prove it. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This looks like the way DGT produced their reaction. They did not produce a reaction. It was experimental error. See:

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2015-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Not to me... Ah, but to me, to Gamberale, and to many others, this indicates Defkalion saw no heat. You disagree. But I have not heard your reasons; I doubt you know as much about these tests as Gamberale does; and Gamberale's description fits the data I saw,

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2015-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Prove it. I believe the paper I cited proves it. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf - Jed

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2015-04-21 Thread Axil Axil
Not to me... On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Prove it. I believe the paper I cited proves it. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf - Jed

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2015-04-20 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Axil, what's the frequency of this modulating temperature order of one Hz?, That's surely AC, but that is slowly moving and the generated B field from this is less of an importance then that generated from 50Hz and above. So varying the DC whithin HZ should be fine. Also you can make sure the

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2015-04-20 Thread Bob Cook
Mr. S. I. Tampe wrote: Yes, note parkhomov seam to indicate that the form of the applied ac is important. Hence if you take that at face value the conclusion is that induced varying magnetic field is important. Why couple that with the heating. Much better to decouple and search for

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2015-04-20 Thread Axil Axil
The way to start the LENR reaction is through the production of nanoparticles. There are standard inductry methods used to produce nanoparticles that the LENR experimental community is fumbling with currently using trial and error. This looks like the way DGT produced their reaction. Pulse power

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2015-04-20 Thread Axil Axil
The production of nanoparticles witch is critical in LENR requires a varying pressure and temperature profile arounf the supercritical transition point in the gas envelope. A varying input power profile will give that varying temperature and pressure profile. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Bob

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2015-04-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Heya Vortexuses, Any thoughts about my shallow thoughts about the parghomov/Ecat setup, When it comes to steel making, one often has a magnetic stirrer to even out the temperature in the mold, hence improving the quality of the final product. This works by the magnetic varying field induces

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2015-04-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I also have another picture in mind, if you stir a continuous polymerisation process in combination with the gas release, the reactor can fluidize. I am wondering about the physics of that sintering process as H is (slowly) released and everything is fluidized? possebly with the help of the

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2015-04-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yes, note parkhomov seam to indicate that the form of the applied ac is important. Hence if you take that at face value the conclusion is that induced varying magnetic field is important. Why couple that with the heating. Much better to decouple and search for optimal stimulation in the test at

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2015-04-16 Thread Bob Higgins
By 300C, and in the presence of the released H2, the Ni particles have been reduced of their oxice and are sintered together into a spongy solid. It remains this way until the LiH and Al have melted, and then the web of SOLID spongy Ni is coated with a liquid film of LiH-Al . The Ni is solid and