Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-23 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/10/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Conventional sources such as solar thermal or advanced fission could provide far more energy per capita with greatly reduced pollution. Cold fusion or some other radically new source of energy could do this at a cost 100 to 1000 times cheaper

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: The heavy hydrogen in the seas can drive all our machines, heat all our cities, for as far ahead as we can imagine. If, as is perfectly possible, we are short of energy two generations from now, it will be through our own incompetence. We will be like If my invention

RE: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Thanks for that. It's really impressive. A couple of comments though: In cold climates, Incandescent bulbs provide heat that would otherwise come from other sources,so the burden of them is not so high as being projected. Of course, in the summer that's not true. Incandescent bulbs also have

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:42 -0800: Hi, This appears to be the same technology used in CRT TV sets. I wonder what the energy of the electrons is, and whether or not x-rays are produced? An alternative to CFL and LED is emerging: http://www.vu1.com/

RE: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: Incandescent bulbs also have myriads of other uses where heat is wanted ( e.g.incubators ,non-linear resistor elements in electronic circuitry . . . I think dedicated resistance heaters would be better for this application. They would last longer and would be less

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Hoyt sez: However, since Steorn and BlackPower are coming out with free energy technologies soon it's kind of irrelevent about efficiency, isn't it? Even a hypothetical free energy BLP generator in my basement would end up costing me something, though presumably a lot less than what I'm

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:42 -0800: Hi, This appears to be the same technology used in CRT TV sets. I wonder what the energy of the electrons is, and whether or not x-rays are produced? I

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven V Johnson wrote: Changing the subject, it would not hurt to occasionally perform a personal inventory on the following issue: It is easy to allow ourselves to be seduced into a perpetual state of giddy-like anticipation concerning a number of free energy technologies. Once seduced,

RE: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
, Arizona US -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:15 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: Incandescent bulbs also have myriads of other uses where heat

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: My main concern is that someday I may not be able to buy incandescent bulbs even though I have a legitimate reason for needing some. I wouldn't worry about that. Obsolete technology never vanishes, as I said. You can still buy washboards and coal shovels. The only

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:07:37 -0800: Hi, [snip] On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:42 -0800: Hi, This appears to be the same technology used in CRT TV sets. I

Re: [Vo]:Vu1 ESL lighting technology

2009-10-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:10:41 -0400: Hi, [snip] We should also remember that energy is already free. It is by far the most abundant resource in the universe, from the sun and other sources. As Arthur Clarke pointed out in Profiles of the Future (and I quoted