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a.ashfield wrote: I have already shown many areas where Exhibit 5 was wrong. > So you think, but I disagree. > You continue to ignore that. > It was not Penon's job to correct the mistakes. > Yes, it was. He was paid large sums of money to correct his own mistakes,

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Jed, You are right that nobody here knows the details of Rossi's signature but the plain fact is that IH was formed after Rossi's discussions only a couple of days before he had to sign the contract. I have already shown many areas where Exhibit 5 was wrong. You continue to ignore that. It

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a.ashfield wrote: > After the agreement with Defkalion collapsed Rossi had to get money from > somewhere to continue. > I do not know about this, but I suppose he had enough leeway to wait a few days while consulting with his lawyer. Also, It is possible that I.H.

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Jed After the agreement with Defkalion collapsed Rossi had to get money from somewhere to continue. He had been funding everything himself for a long time. As for Cherokee/IH's behavior, see Mats Lewan's take here.

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a.ashfield wrote: It was pretty obvious that Rossi was under a lot of pressure and short of > funds when he signed the contract. > Where did you hear this? It sure looks like dirty pool to pull that switch at the last moment. > He couldn't wait a week? He couldn't

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It was pretty obvious that Rossi was under a lot of pressure and short of funds when he signed the contract. It sure looks like dirty pool to pull that switch at the last moment. But you will support IH whatever they do apparently. Do you deny you made a mistake when you wrote "You made

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a.ashfield wrote: > But unknown to Rossi, IH was created by Darden 2 days before the signing > and when Rossi arrives at Cherokee to ink the deal, guess what, he is told > by Darden that he now must ink a deal with a totally new clean skin > startup, IH, which did not

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Background to Rossi's deal with Cherokee/IH Engineer48 writes: "Interesting sequence of events. IH was formed 24 October, 2012. Rossi visits Cherokee on 26 October to ink the deal with Cherokee that he and Darden had hammered out. Rossi negotiates with Darden / Cherokee and expects to sign

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Jed, I was not suggesting the steam was vented directly to the outside. What I said was that it would not matter if it were. To repeat: AA. "Touching faith in a company that lied about Vaughn." Jed. "You made that up, and now you believe it."

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: As I have previously said, this is a private legal dispute with no outcome > that is going to release useful information to the LENR community. > If the matter goes to trial and additional exhibits become available

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a.ashfield wrote: Really all that has to be proved is the water volume in and if the output > is at 102.8C at atmospheric pressure . . . NOT possible. There were pumps pushing the water. It was not at 1 atm. > Also the electric power into the plant for the COP. It

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Jed, I don't know why you are having trouble grasping a simple basic fact as outlined in my previous post. It doesn't matter what happened to the steam. It could have been condensed in a heat exchanger cooled by mains water, for all the difference that makes to the case. On 8/9/2016 10:18

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Further to my comment about Penon's report being key to the court case, consider this. Really all that has to be proved is the water volume in and if the output is at 102.8C at atmospheric pressure, the output is dry steam and the heat transferred can be calculated. Also the electric power

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a.ashfield wrote: > 3. It doesn't matter a damn what the customer's plant did, only whether > Rossi's plant provided 1 MW with a COP>6 > The pretend customer's plant did nothing, and no significant heat radiated from it. Therefore the COP was 1. Data from customer's

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AA. "Touching faith in a company that lied about Vaughn." Jed. "You made that up, and now you believe it." You owe me an apology. Also you should quit the ad hominem attacks.

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Jed, a foreign company doing bisiness in the US is certified by the government. You are being lied to. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > FYI...The company is a chinese company based in England. The validity of

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Jed, 1. Look at my earlier post giving the actual statement by Day Jones that Vaughn was not a manager at Cherokee. https://twitter.com/The_New_Fire/status/763002369219100672/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw See the bottom highlighted in red and then repeat that I am making it up. 2. I have already

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Please answer the question. Nobody told me they didn't given the information to you. But you claim to have it. Are you now claiming you shouldn't have it? On 8/9/2016 9:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote: The question

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Don't confuse the issue with the facts ;-) They lied about Vaughn, lied about the error in the flow meter just below the minimum shown on the name plate, used an electronics guy as a piping expert who thinks the output steam pipe is DN40 and apparently is thought to be expert on stains. If

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a.ashfield wrote: Touching faith in a company that lied about Vaughn. > You made that up, and now you believe it. So far I have not seen any solid proof of IH's claims. > Then you have not looked at Exhibit 5. Or you imagine that there are answers to it, but Rossi

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a.ashfield wrote: > The question is why have they given this information to you? > Who told you they have not? And who told you I even want this information, or asked for it? What I know is none of your damn business. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with this

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Touching faith in a company that lied about Vaughn. So far I have not seen any solid proof of IH's claims. The contract says the ERV's report is key. They have to show that it is wrong by an order of magnitude. It seems they (and you) find it easier make ad hominems attacks on Rossi than come

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No surprise they haven't given me the information. The question is why have they given this information to you? What do they want you to do with it? Make their case for them? On 8/9/2016 8:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote:

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Axil Axil wrote: FYI...The company is a chinese company based in England. The validity of > the company has be verified by the U.S. government. > The company is a fraud owned by Rossi's lawyer. - Jed

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FYI...The company is a chinese company based in England. The validity of the company has be verified by the U.S. government. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > Everything else besides the ERV's report are

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a.ashfield wrote: Everything else besides the ERV's report are technicalities that are > unlikely to effect the jury's decision. > Are you serious?!? I.H. will present iron-clad proof that Rossi is a fraud, with a fake company, no excess heat, and no machine in the fake

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a.ashfield wrote: So - why has the piping layout not been provided? > Why do you think I.H. would provide this to you? Who are you? Did they provide you with any other evidence? There was a great deal uploaded the other day. Did they send any of it to you beforehand? I

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So - why has the piping layout not been provided? I'm still waiting for these other "experts" to surface. On 8/9/2016 6:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote: It would be really simple to figure if the pipe was only half full

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Everything else besides the ERV's report are technicalities that are unlikely to effect the jury's decision. IH has to prove Penon's report was wrong by an order of magnitude. On 8/9/2016 5:55 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: As I have previously said, this is a private legal dispute with no outcome

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Jed, Exhibit 5 has errors as I've pointed out. It is useless as proof. You are relying on the word of an electronics guy, without even a photo, about the "stains". The pipe could have been stained before it was assembled. What is key is a drawing of the pipe layout - that so far you decline

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a.ashfield wrote: > It would be really simple to figure if the pipe was only half full from a > plan of the piping. Without that you have nothing. > Who told you I do not have that? What on earth makes you think *I.H. does not have that*?!? Do you think their only

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The real point is that Rossi would not have bothered to do anything if they were not working in the first place. On 8/9/2016 5:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote: That is an unbelievable stretch using recirculated water..

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a.ashfield wrote: > As others have iout, IH has failed to supply simple proof that the plant > didn't work. > IH has provided simple proof the plant did not work! Look at Exhibit 5. Rossi inadvertently provided simple proof that the plant does not work. His data shows

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Jed, It would be really simple to figure if the pipe was only half full from a plan of the piping. Without that you have nothing. On 8/9/2016 3:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Peter Gluck > wrote: I told tyht what yoiu said- re cheating

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As I have previously said, this is a private legal dispute with no outcome that is going to release useful information to the LENR community. It is a quite uphill battle for Rossi. He has to prove that he met ALL of the requirements of the license agreement that entitle him to the next round of

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Bob, I read that Penon had all the instruments connected, but of course that is not proof he did. If I had been responsible for monitoring a plant with so much riding on the outcome I know I would log everything automatically. No one would want to spend 24 hours a day there, so it is logical

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a.ashfield wrote: > That is an unbelievable stretch using recirculated water.. > Do you mean that they were mechanically plugged up? It is not a stretch. The water was reportedly filthy. It was circulating around for a long time. Water used in radiators and industrial

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Jed, That is an unbelievable stretch using recirculated water.. On 8/9/2016 1:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote: If the Ecats never worked, why would Rossi stop some to repair them? I presume they were mechanically

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Jack Cole wrote: Jed, > > Here is the information from the counter-complaint regarding data. > > "85. As just one example, in late February 2016, shortly after the > conclusion of the purported Guaranteed Performance test, USQL and Fabiani > committed to send certain data and

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Peter Gluck wrote: I told tyht what yoiu said- re cheating with flowmeters is totally false > and imoral. > It is not false at all. It is true, and there is physical proof of that, in the stains in the pipe and elsewhere. > Youi have shown that the flowmeter used by

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Jed, your ;logic is flawed but you must demonstrate no heat excess and Rossi was scamming. I know well what errors cn you make with many instruments I have worked 40 years in the chemical industry. You are here lying shemelessly with" ou claimed that it is impossible to make mistakes with

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Jed, Here is the information from the counter-complaint regarding data. "85. As just one example, in late February 2016, shortly after the conclusion of the purported Guaranteed Performance test, USQL and Fabiani committed to send certain data and a report by the end of March 2016 that would

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Bob Higgins wrote: The flow meter used only seems to read out visually in integer m^3 with a > mechanical digital roll-over indicator (probably readable to 1/2 digit). > However, the flow meter is available optionally with a pulse output that > apparently pulses for

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Peter Gluck wrote: which schematic? > It has not been published. You will have to wait to see it. I realize you do not like to wait. You prefer to jump to conclusions with no knowledge at all, while you attack me and others even though you have no idea what we are

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David Roberson wrote: You might well be correct Jed. But, he had, I believe about 100 individual > test devices. Is it likely that every one failed? > The data I have seen, which is described in Exhibit 5, is for the entire system. It is calorimetry applied to the outlet

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The flow meter used only seems to read out visually in integer m^3 with a mechanical digital roll-over indicator (probably readable to 1/2 digit). However, the flow meter is available optionally with a pulse output that apparently pulses for each 0.5 liter passing. Do we know if there was

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which schematic? say a horizontal pipe, flowmeter, valve, vertical pipe= descending or ascending, valve, no air injection in the ssytem. again, a schematic of the schematic! peter On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck

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Peter Gluck wrote: tell this to APATOR, was air injected in the circuit? > How would Apator know? Their manual warns you not allow air into the pipe, but they were not present in this installation. Again I ask: Why would the Apator manual warn against this if it is

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tell this to APATOR, was air injected in the circuit? I repeat this half full pipe idea is too X to be possible. Think a bit, are you losing your sense of reality? peter On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: >

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a.ashfield wrote: I now read that all the ERV's equipment was connected to his computer and > recorded the readings electronically. It will be interesting to compare the > data logged with what Jed is claiming > I am not claiming anything about computer data. I do not

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Russ George wrote: Hmm. So we are to believe that the observation of Rossi’s e-cat not working > is so simple and obvious that anyone can so surmise without any special > abilities. > Who said that? That I.H. experts have special abilities. More than Penon does, as you

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Peter Gluck wrote: the idea of half full pipes and half full flowmeter is a total idiocy > No, it is not. That is easy to arrange. That is why the manual for this flow meter specifically *warns you not to do it*. If it were impossible, why would they say that? All

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I now read that all the ERV's equipment was connected to his computer and recorded the readings electronically. It will be interesting to compare the data logged with what Jed is claiming Engineer48, who has direct contacy with Rossi, writes: "Rossi told me this meter registers zero for

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David Roberson wrote: Jed, do your sources confirm that the readings were made on a daily basis > and not calculated at the end of the experiment? I.H. was sent periodic reports during the test with daily totals. Since the temperature varied slightly someone must have been

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ntroversial > question. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:38 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court >

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the money’ is most appropriate here. Let’s see where is the most money, let’s start looking there. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document Bob

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the idea of half full pipes and half full flowmeter is a total idiocy you have no idea how water flows in the pipes and in the flowmeter. peter On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: > > >> the pipes were half, 1/3

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a.ashfield wrote: > If the Ecats never worked, why would Rossi stop some to repair them? > I presume they were mechanically plugged up. They did not 'work' in the sense that they did not produce anomalous heat, but Rossi pretended they did. It was all a facade. - Jed

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a.ashfield wrote: > You keep repeating that what you say is absolutely true despite the errors > I pointed out in Exhibit 5. > There are no errors in Exhibit 5. If there were, Rossi and Penon would have pointed them out. They were contractually obligated to point out

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Peter Gluck wrote: > the pipes were half, 1/3 parts full in the ascending portions too.? > How would that work? Explain what you mean. Either that, or stop making flippant, stupid comments. - Jed

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the tank and located ahead of the pump? Do you have a reference drawing that shows the system layout? Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 10:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi'

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their presence. If they fail to mention this then pox on them all. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in co

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rtex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other hand, I have a much more positiv

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question. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:38 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>

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Interesting that IH in their response deny that Vaughn was a manager at Cherokee. See his current CV. http://cherokeefund.com/jt-vaughn/

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Jed, If the Ecats never worked, why would Rossi stop some to repair them? On 8/9/2016 11:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Bob Higgins > wrote: Jed, do you have a system diagram for the 1 year test unit? I have a diagram but I do not

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Jed, You keep repeating that what you say is absolutely true despite the errors I pointed out in Exhibit 5. Contrary to what you write, it would be to Rossi's advantage for IH to summit errors of fact. It would not be in Penon's interest to correct them with a court case pending, without

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zjed, the pipes were half, 1/3 parts full in the ascending portions too.? peter On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Bob Higgins wrote: > > Jed, do you have a system diagram for the 1 year test unit? >> > > I have a diagram but

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:-) OK. I actually meant exactly what I said, and nothing more -- "Not convinced they were /totally/ faked" ... maybe they were approximately what was claimed (most of the time, obviously not all the time) and maybe the meter didn't go totally into lala land when it hit the bottom end of its

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Bob Higgins wrote: Jed, do you have a system diagram for the 1 year test unit? > I have a diagram but I do not think it is detailed enough to answer this question. If I were Rossi, and I knew that some of the units would have to be taken > off line, I would design in

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Bob Higgins wrote: I think that claiming Rossi is lying or scamming could be extrapolating his > behavior akin to "reductio ad absurdum". The truth is seldom so black and > white. > It is black-and-white in this case. Read Exhibit 5. If there were answers to any of

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a.ashfield wrote: > There are several reasons why Penon might have declined to answer Murray. > No, there are no reasons. He was being paid to respond to Murray. He was contractually obligated. He and Rossi must have known that if he did not respond to that document

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Bob, My point of view too On 8/9/2016 10:08 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: I think that claiming Rossi is lying or scamming could be extrapolating his behavior akin to "reductio ad absurdum". The truth is seldom so black and white. Rossi is known to shrewdly lead people on wild goose chases to

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Jed, do you have a system diagram for the 1 year test unit? If I were Rossi, and I knew that some of the units would have to be taken off line, I would design in bypass valves. Do you have evidence that the water circulation pump(s) was ever shut off? Even if the reactors themselves were shut

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Jed, There are several reasons why Penon might have declined to answer Murray. Your theory that the flow meter was reading significantly high has been shot down. As the flow rate was controlled downstream of the meter, one would expect it not to vary much. Exhibit 5 has errors as pointed out

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I think that claiming Rossi is lying or scamming could be extrapolating his behavior akin to "reductio ad absurdum". The truth is seldom so black and white. Rossi is known to shrewdly lead people on wild goose chases to obfuscate what he does know. He may well exaggerate the performance of his

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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I'm not convinced the meter readings were totally faked, or even > necessarily faked at all. > Then explain how they could be exactly 36,000 per day for weeks. As I pointed out, the flow rate would have to be exactly the same to 1 second per day for

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David Roberson wrote: As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other hand, I > have a much more positive belief that some form of nickel, hydrogen, > lithium gas system might generate additional heat. As long as that > possibility exists within my mind I

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David Roberson wrote: I would hope that you could be convinced that Rossi is telling the truth if > he were to present a solid scientific proof to that fact. Is that not > giving him the benefit of the doubt? Can anyone be 100% confident that he > is completely lying? >

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: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 1:22 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document In your discussion with Daniel, the exchange went something like this: *You said:* OK, interesting

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com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 1:22 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document In your discussion with Daniel, the exchange went something likethis:

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"So, either the meter reading was anomalously high and the heat was much lower than a megawatt," There was no requirement for the power produced to be a megawatt in the licence agreement. A system producing 750 KW is acceptable to meet daily payment. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Stephen A.

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Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 12:58 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document You don't seem to get it. Rossi has been shown to be lying and fabrica

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:-)OK. I'll stop bugging you about it. On 08/09/2016 01:32 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I think that's interesting. It may even help future scammers and I am not ashamed of this possibility. 2016-08-09 2:22 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence >: t it

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I think that's interesting. It may even help future scammers and I am not ashamed of this possibility. 2016-08-09 2:22 GMT-03:00 Stephen A. Lawrence : > t it will lead to a better understanding of how one scammer operated. > > >

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- From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document If I understand this discussion, you appear to be engaging in massive doublethink he

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;sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document If I understand this discussion, you appear to be engaging inmassive doublethink here. You're trying to exp

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You don't seem to get it. Rossi has been shown to be lying and fabricating results. ROSSI. ROSSI is not to be believed. His "experiments" are consequently worthless, because the basic assumption of good faith, on which all conventional analysis of experiments ultimately rests, is gone.

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quite interesting results that you can find in the list archives if interested. Dave -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 11:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow met

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a conceptual idea to digest. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> To: John Milstone <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document I was thinking more of the cooli

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. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> To: John Milstone <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document I was thinking more of the cooling mechanis

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On 08/08/2016 11:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: I would hope that you could be convinced that Rossi is telling the truth if he were to present a solid scientific proof to that fact. Is that not giving him the benefit of the doubt? Can anyone be 100% confident that he is completely lying?

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ect: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document On 08/08/2016 08:27 PM, David Roberson wrote: I suppose that Rossi may not be telling the truth as you have concluded, but I am attempting to give him the benefit

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

He was contributing in his point of view why this kind of discussion happens and you just tell him to shut up, just because you think that is not serious. LOL. 2016-08-09 0:03 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > > Do you have anything to contribute? Or do you just accept this

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Daniel Rocha wrote: LOL. Wow. > LOL yourself. Would you care to explain how a flow meter might register exactly 36,000 kg every day for months, without variation? Do you have anything to contribute? Or do you just accept this particular nonsense from Rossi because Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

LOL. Wow. 2016-08-08 23:32 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > suggest you shut up. > > - Jed > >

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Russ George wrote: There is no blacker hole than the hole of social media speculation and > pontification, therein lies universes filled with churlish senseless time > wasting bullshit… > You do realize, I hope, that I am looking at actual data from the experiment, from

RE: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: This acrimonious discussion of Rossi with the posturing pretentious claims of ‘insider knowledge’ by one disgruntled camp follo

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

I wrote: > Nope. Not possible, I think. That would require the flow to be > synchronized to the clock such that it clicks *exactly* every 40 minutes, > to the nearest second, every day for months. If it were a little late on > the last click, it would show 35,000 that day, pushing the next click

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

I was thinking more of the cooling mechanism, which had to cool 1MW. The surface area is very large. In less then 3D (scale of the tubes in 1D in comparison to other), turbulence can go from small vortices to high, and when it exits to large tubes it goes from high vortices to low. Depending on

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