Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.

2007-04-24 Thread John Berry
On 4/23/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry (wishing he had a detachable penis) Hell no, you'd put it down somewhere and lose it.

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Actually, for the purposes of scientific argument, bollocks is much preferred. P. - Original Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:27:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Balls! On 4/24/07, PHILIP WINESTONE

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread OrionWorks
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity continues to

[Vo]:Another step carbon neutral

2007-04-24 Thread Jones Beene
Finally, the Europeans move into the cutting edge of renewable fuel http://www.algaefuels.org/

[Vo]:The MIT version

2007-04-24 Thread Jones Beene
This is likely the inspiration for the European knock-off bioreactor http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2004/algae.html

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread thomas malloy
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor,

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread John Berry
Thomas, so what? Are you saying you have no doubt that man can pollute unchecked and be assured no impact on the climate? Even if you did why should pollution and oil be supported, even in your right wing view of the world shouldn't Oil be given up for an alternative energy? Are you trying to

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread John Berry
I knew that Volcaino sh*t was bunk, thanks for finding the evidence. On 4/25/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're

[Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Nitrogen 78.084% Oxygen 20.946% Argon 0.934% Carbon dioxide 0.038% Water vapor 1% Other 0.002% CO2 content has increased 0.008% in my lifetime. I must be missing something. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
Terry Blanton wrote: Nitrogen 78.084% Oxygen 20.946% Argon 0.934% Carbon dioxide 0.038% Water vapor 1% Other 0.002% CO2 content has increased 0.008% in my lifetime. I must be missing something. Terry Then I calculate you to be ~2.2 years old, LOL.

[Vo]:Simply sublime? Orthocarbonic acid

2007-04-24 Thread Jones Beene
Kind of slow spring day IOW ... Surf's Up !! Wiki mentions Deep Ocean storage of CO2. The following is all theoretical bogosity - but it is true that at sufficiently high pressure, which in the ocean corresponds to around 500 meters depth: CO2 in the presence of water - i.e. CO2+ 2 H2O is

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On 4/24/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I calculate you to be ~2.2 years old, LOL. Maybe mentally. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide Half way down. In 1960 CO2 was 310 ppm. Now it's 380 ppm. This causes drastic changes in climate?!? Terry

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Half way down. In 1960 CO2 was 310 ppm. Now it's 380 ppm. This causes drastic changes in climate?!? Yes, it does. This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: Imagine the composition of the Earth's atmosphere as

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: I'm just trying to understand the mechanism. The albedo of the earth reflects multispectrum light back into the atmosphere. How many photons

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: By the way, I wasn't suggesting that we should hold Terry responsible for Crichton's comments. Not unless Terry is a ghostwriter and Crighton pays him royalties . . . - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread leaking pen
no, its increased as a fraction by that much. its increased by 22.5 percent. (measurement of increase is against itself, as a fraction, not the whole) On 4/24/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nitrogen 78.084% Oxygen 20.946% Argon 0.934% Carbon dioxide 0.038% Water vapor 1% Other

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: By the way, I wasn't suggesting that we should hold Terry responsible for Crichton's comments. Not unless Terry is a ghostwriter and

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 05:23 PM 4/24/2007 -0400, you wrote: On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: I'm just trying to understand the mechanism. The albedo of the earth reflects multispectrum light back

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz
At 05:23 PM 4/24/2007 -0400, Terry wrote: On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: I'm just trying to understand the mechanism. The albedo of the earth reflects multispectrum light

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Harry Veeder
The best explanation of global warming is in the movie _The Arrival_. ;-) Harry

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Thanks, Dr. Swartz. Interesting periodicity to the data. Terry On 4/24/07, Dr. Mitchell Swartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:23 PM 4/24/2007 -0400, Terry wrote: On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton

[Vo]:Tunnel Challenge ..headlights

2007-04-24 Thread john herman
Dear Vo., If you get up in the morning and have made a great discovery.eg, B. Josephson . and it works!!! THEN later you find you have different beliefs. does this mean the earlier work is no good??? The challenge to vo is to illustrate good work.

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Huh? Heat are photons, too, right. I mean we aren't bumping molecules together to get heat off the earth, are we? I recently had a discussion on whether chloroflorocarbons are greenhouse gases. They actually are. If you deplete the ozone layer, you allow more UV in. Since the earth absorbs

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
Terry Blanton wrote: On 4/24/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I calculate you to be ~2.2 years old, LOL. Maybe mentally. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide Half way down. In 1960 CO2 was 310 ppm. Now it's 380 ppm. This causes drastic changes in climate?!?

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
Terry Blanton wrote: On 4/24/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: This reminds me of the idiotic comment by Michael Crichton that Terry Blanton quoted here in 2005: By the way, I wasn't suggesting that we should hold Terry responsible for Crichton's comments. Not unless Terry is

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Dr. Mitchell Swartz's message of Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:00:23 -0400: Hi, [snip] img src=http://home.earthlink.net/~a_geezer/Climate/Image5.gifP Note that each of the highs presaged an ice age (if I'm not mistaken), and we appear to be on the most recent

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Gases

2007-04-24 Thread leaking pen
now, the mechanism is likely a global warming, causing ice cap melting and a change in albedo, causeing cooling, leading to ice age, thats the generally accepted mechanism. Its a form of control and cycle. Will the co2 going beyond what it gets too normally in that cycle change things? and how

[Vo]:Sinking atmospheric CO2 in all senses of the term (was Re:Simply sublime? Orthocarbonic acid)

2007-04-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:06 PM Wiki mentions Deep Ocean storage of CO2. ... CO2 can be frozen easily in cold climates to dry ice - which in half again denser than water, and will then be able to sink, to any level, in

[Vo]:Read posts before replying, PLEASE

2007-04-24 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
To all, and some in particular, and some not in particular Please READ people's posts before posting replies. That means the whole damned thing, whether or not you agree with it. If you do not take the time to read the entire thing, either because you are too lazy to do so, or because the

Re: [Vo]:Read posts before replying, PLEASE

2007-04-24 Thread leaking pen
I couldnt be bothered to read youre whole post Kyle, becuase, frankly, the whole thing disgusts me. :D just kidding. and as a working class type person, I A. could care less about al gore and his carbon credits, and B. could care less about the working class as a whole having job and

Re: [Vo]:Read posts before replying, PLEASE

2007-04-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Consider the free trade agreements of the last few decades. In their absence would CO2 emissions be greater or lower than they are now? If lower, then the issue of global warming may favour the working class in the US. For example if a manufacturing company is able to use electricity not