Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well above 100 deg C. That stands to reason. Even with

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
180-220 deg C steam will be perfectly OK- at high pressure 10-16 bar. Overheated steam is not economical. Peter On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know

[Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. Park continues to remain silent. Nothing pertinent has been mentioned in his What's New weekly rant. I find it impossible to believe that Dr. Park has not heard of the proceedings. Therefore, it seems to me that his continued

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj sez: A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. Park continues to remain silent. Nothing pertinent has been mentioned in his What's New weekly rant. I find it impossible to believe that Dr. Park has not heard of the proceedings. Therefore, it seems to me that

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
I wrote him Saturday and have asked him directly why he ignores that event. Nix answer yet. Peter On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. Park continues to remain

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. Unless there is significant water

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: How sure are you it is finely divided nickel? Didn't Rossi say the material only had a gram of Ni? The patent says nickel powder. I think Rossi said there are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern and I

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/15/2011 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. Unless there is significant water content in the expelled steam, the pressure doesn't matter, or have you forgotten your grade 11 phase diagram again? In real life, I have never heard of a steam

[Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
The Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Expo is ongoing in Md near DC. Randell Mills presented yesterday. Must have been a yawner . I thought it would at least turn up on google News. There was some heavy competition for News coverage and several dozen stories, but no one bothered to mention BLP.

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Another interesting quote: Please, what do you mean, in this case when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW, just for the thermal power. Eh?? For 12 kW that would be 60

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: OK, well and good. But you named a specific figure, saying it can easily go above 400 deg C. I wondered if that was based on speculation and Rossi's imprecise assertions about the internal temperature of the device, or it if was based on something

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote him Saturday and have asked him directly why he ignores that event. Nix answer yet. Don't provoke him. Better he should ignore this. Rossi himself produces loads of bad PR and confusion about his own work. We don't need Park doing that. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:59 -0900: Hi, [snip] Rossi said there were several grams of Ni. In the cell there are several grams of Ni With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around 100 kWh“

Re: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Expo is ongoing in Md near DC. Randell Mills presented yesterday. Is there a copy of his presentation anywhere? Brian Ahern says it seem Rossi has put the fear of God into Mills. Mills put out a me too! paper with

RE: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
In the FWIW department In the cell there are several grams of Ni With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around 100 kWh Ok if the value of that energy is about $5.00 to the power plant operator (the grid operator gets the rest) and the value of nickel is $ 13 pound today,

RE: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell * Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? Ha ! You left out the most important part (by way of an analogy to Mills, or Rossi) Glendower: Why, I can teach you,

Re: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: Brian Ahern says it seem Rossi has put the fear of God into Mills. Mills put out a me too! paper with dozens of viewgraphs mainly ones showing that if he would, he could build a a big energy generating system too, and by golly it might be as good -- or maybe lots better! -- than

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Another interesting quote: Please, what do you mean, in this case when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW,

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Silence gives consent. Park has inside knowledge and Rossi is only speaking of non-military applications. T

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:07 Jed Rothwell wrote [snip] I think Rossi said there are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern and I suspect one of them is Pd. [/snip] Pd nano powder does sound like a good candidate. Grain size may be important to backfill the

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Who is afraid of big bad Dr.Park? Let him tell what he wishes, his reputation will suffer anyway if Rossi and- especially Mills will perform their great demonstrations. As regarding Rossi's bad PR he is just following Pitigrilli's Do not give me advices, I can err myself The lack of a theory is