On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Nor does the manufacturer's brochure assert that steam quality can be
measured with their equipment . . .
It said the equipment measures enthalpy. You can't do that unless you know
the quality of the steam. It also
From their web site:
Directors:
George Sortikos, born 1942 – Chairman
Engineer. Ex banker and industrialist (high tech ceramics). Ex
president of the state owned Greek Industrial Investment Bank (ETBA)
in 80-90s and founder of Omega Bank.(90s)
George Xanthoulis, born in 1987 – Deputy Chairman,
Some personal thoughts on Jeff Driscoll's recently expressed concerns -
originally derived from subject thread: Analysis of e-Cat test by E.
Storms, such as:
...
Does anybody on Vortex agree with my previous email
to Vortex about the capacitance probe? It can only
sense the partial
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Nor does the manufacturer's brochure assert that steam quality can be
measured with their equipment . . .
It said the equipment measures
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 11:09 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma**b...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
Galantini has never said that steam quality can be measured with a
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Look, suppose for the sake of argument you are right. Suppose the steam is
much wetter than Galantini thought. It makes no difference! It cannot be
so wet there is no anomalous heat.
But a small amount of anomalous
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
Peter Ekstrom's analysis:
“the E-Cat does not produce excess Energy”.
http://www.fysik.org/WebSite/fragelada/resurser/cold_fusion_krivit.pdf
Rossi responds to Peter Ekstrom's analysis:
In reply to Alan J Fletcher's message of Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:23:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Based upon conversion of only Ni62 Ni64 to Cu63 Cu65 respectively, an
electrical energy value of 5 cents / kWh (@30% conversion efficiency), I
calculate a Ni value of $2085/kg. The current price of Ni is
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
My dear friends,
I have just posted INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462
at Ego
Out- http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-462.html
An excellent issue- a proof the the World is interesting and active
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
*1. Not all of the water is turned to steam.*
If applied power is making all of steam, the following would be observed.
Applied power = 745 watt
Flow rate = 7 liter/hr = 1.94 g/sec
Power to heat water to
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input
mass flow rate (2 grams per second) . . .
You don't trust that he can read a digital weight scale?
I
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Experts in those meters such as Galantini say you are wrong.
I don't believe Galantini is an expert in those meters. And anyway,
academics can be wrong.
The manufacturer's brochure says you are wrong.
No. They make
Thanks Terry, I was convinced about what this study says- with some timidity
Peter
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
My dear friends,
I have just posted INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No.
All steam is dry steam when it leaves the surface of water by
definition. Molecules of water must achieve sufficient kinetic energy
to overcome the intermolecular forces of liquid water. Statistically,
some molecules are able to achieve this at room temperature; so, water
will evaporate.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Where is Galantini quoted? Look at what he gave to Krivit:
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/06/20/galantini-**
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
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Dr. Peter
I am having trouble getting messages through. Here is one converted to
plaintext.
Here is an interesting comment from the forum. I think the direct link is:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=148p=2609#p2609
I am going to go through all of the moderator's comments and
Vortex was down for most of yesterday. I am subscribed to the Eskimo
yahoo list. If any member ever wants to find out what's doin' with
Vortex list, you may send me a email directly.
Also, you can also check the archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/
to see if Eskimo is
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
All steam is dry steam when it leaves the surface of water by
definition.
Where is this definition given? There are very clear, well-defined, concepts
related to steam, dry steam, wet steam, and steam quality. A simple
Greetings Vortex-L:
Re: Hagelstein
I haven t seen this cold fusion post before on Vortex.
Also the ecat of Professor Rossi is cited at the bottom of the page:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1872category=Science
Respectfully,
Ron Kita , Chiralex
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrong. Steam can be wet.
No sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam
http://www.qsinano.com/new/qsi_nano_nickel_ni_5_oct_09.pdf
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
wrote:
Wrong. Steam can be wet.
No sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam
Yes Sir. From that article:
but such wet-steam conditions have to be
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Semantics, I know; but, wet steam is not steam:
steam
[steem]
–noun
1.
water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor.
Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow, this is why wikipedia
talks about machines. Steam is dry.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Semantics, I know; but, wet steam is not steam:
steam
[steem]
–noun
1.
water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor.
Water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor can have
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow,
No, it can exist under a variety of condtions.
Steam is dry.
Some steam is dry. Some steam is wet. You just admitted steam can be wet
above.
Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean. Either way, both at
horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at 100C and 6m/s, no more
than 15% of the mass can be in the liquid state without at least some kind
of squirting be constantly be pouring out of the house.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Water cannot leave the surface of water. It must be in a gaseous
form. Learn some thermodynamics, Cude. Each molecule that escapes
the intermolecular forces takes with it that amount of
it leaves the surface as a gaseous form but then it can condense into
microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of
vaporization)
what thermodynamic point was incorrect?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean.
Why should it change as it leaves the hose?
Either way, both at horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at
100C and 6m/s, no more than 15% of the mass can be
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Water cannot leave the surface of water. It must be in a gaseous
form.
Drop a stone into a pond to prove that
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote:
it leaves the surface as a gaseous form but then it can condense into
microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of
vaporization)
what thermodynamic point was incorrect?
Many people seem to claim that the
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Drop a stone into a pond to prove that this is wrong. Or check out a
cool-mist humidifier. Turbulent boiling water also produces liquid droplets
that are carried into the air by the vapor.
Steam can be wet. Live with it.
Really, the water exits the reactor by a mechanical method.
Oh, it splashed out of the reactor!!
Why did I not think of that?
No wait! The molecules grew cilia and it walked out of the reactor!
/sarcasm
The water either overflows the pipe as a liquid or leaves as a gas.
Indeed it will be
Jeff wrote:
...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat
of vaporization)
Agreed, and where does that released latent heat GO?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Driscoll [mailto:hcarb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:37 AM
To:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Really, the water exits the reactor by a mechanical method.
The water, in whatever state, is forced through by a pump. That's a
mechanical method.
The water either overflows the pipe as a liquid or leaves as a gas.
it goes into colder water entering the ecat - but I contend that the
following possibilites exist for fakery
1. large slugs of water are spit through the black hose and down the drain
2. the water stays in the Ecat and never leaves it
3. the input water is not measured correctly intentionally
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
wrote:
Wrong. Steam can be wet.
No sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam
Ahem.
From the very article you reference,
A gas can only contain a
This is why one should look at the general appearance of a 2 fluid flow to
draw a conclusion.
I was always taught that, technically speaking, steam is an
invisible gas. However, most of us quite naturally tend to only notice
the clouds of water vapor condensing out from the invisible steam as
it cools. We tend to incorrectly associate, in the visual sense, those
tiny suspended condensed
I wrote:
and where does that released latent heat GO?
To which Jeff replied:
It goes into colder water entering the ecat
So, let me get this straight...
The above statement is what you think is the most likely 'sink' for the heat
energy released when a
number of vapor particles give off some
At 01:38 PM 7/4/2011, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
[with some personal history, which I very much appreciate, there are
valuable lessons for all of us in this, so I sincerely thank Steven
for sharing this, there is some historical pain there.)
As to Driscoll -- and myself-- some
Off topic:
Steven,
I sent you an email, did you receive it?
Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this
website:
http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he
at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp
There is a very clear explanation below the Figure...
This is the best
Off topic:
Steven,
I sent you an email, did you receive it?
Daniel,
If you sent it to my gmail account... no I don't have it.
If you sent it to a non-gmail address I won't get it till I get home.
I don't tend to access my personal accounts at work.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Hello,
To get an indication if all the water running through the ecat has been
fully evaporated it would only be necessary to add a dye (e.g red colour) to
the cold water in the tank.
If the water in the black hose is completely clear it would be prove that
all the water has been evaporated.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Josh, Correct me if I'm wrong but I gather you believe (or are
convinced of the fact) that the videos you viewed proved that tiny
suspended condensed water droplets (mist) was observed being
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this
website:
http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he
at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp
See:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=205p=2762
Here is a message I posted which I believe clarifies the description.
The gist of this is --
Defkalion will build large reactors made up of smaller ones ganged together,
but the output from the smaller reactors will be
From Josh:
I'm arguing that if dry steam were coming out of the ecat
(corresponding to 5 kW total power), that most of it would
survive to the end of the hose, because I don't think more
than a few hundred watts could be radiated by the hose.
And that what comes out of that hose is
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:26 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Josh:
This is not
based so much on whether it's visible at the end of the
hose, but on the speed and volume of the gas, once it
does become visible. And in the case of the Lewan run,
on
Let me summarize some things here regarding electric power generation with
the Defkalion reactors. This information is scattered around. Some is from
my memory.
Defkalion has made a number of comments in the White Paper and on their
forum regarding the prospects for electric power generation.
MISTer Joshua Cude, you are, as always, right...
No evidence at all for excess heat production...
I only found this substance with a boiling point of 414C:
http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/TR/tris(2-ethylhexyl)trimellitate.html
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=18725
Synonyms: 1,2,4-benzenetricarboxylic acid tris(2-ethylhexyl) ester, trioctyl
trimellitate, tri-2-ethylhexyl
I wrote:
It takes about 4 minutes for the reactors to go to maximum power.
I meant from stand-by mode. I don't know how long it takes from being fully
off.
A cold fusion power reactor would be left in stand-by mode I think. There is
no need to turn it all the way off to save fuel, obviously.
From Josh,
For brevity sake I'm just going to focus on the following:
I don't think the quality of the video is good enough to judge that.
Fair enough.
Take a look at figure 2.2.3 on the site Iverson just linked to.
Follow the constant pressure path ABCD. It indicates clearly that at
On 2011-07-06 02:43, Jed Rothwell wrote:
They have tested other liquids for higher temperature applications. I
don't know what these other liquids are, but one of them reaches 414°C.
Who says that it has to be a pressure of 1 bar?
For example at 35 bar the boiling point of ethylene glycol
The Kirvit video *might* be explained in terms of the Tarallo Water Diversion
Fake:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_details_v323.php
Harry
From: Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 2:23:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E.
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
They have tested other liquids for higher temperature applications. I
don't know what these other liquids are, but one of them reaches 414°C.
Who says that it has to be a pressure of 1 bar?
For example at 35 bar the boiling point of ethylene
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.comwrote:
From Josh,
For brevity sake I'm just going to focus on the following:
I don't think the quality of the video is good enough to judge that.
Fair enough.
Take a look at figure 2.2.3 on the site
Abd,
I agree with your proposal for sharing one's honest assessments, while
always being open to consider evidence and reason on both sides of the
issue -- in my case, I never require courteous sharings from others,
only from myself...
In mutual service, Rich
I think one has to take into consideration the specific heat... think of the
water as a big 'heat
capacitor', and although it is at the boiling point (BP) at point 'B' on the
graph, it absorbs a
shitload more heat energy by the time it gets to point 'C' on the graph,
imparting more and more
Assuming the boiling is always happening at the same pressure, you can extend
the horizontal line B-C to the temperature axis and treat that as the
temperature of boiling. Wet steam is present only AT the temperature of
boiling. As long as the temperature of the vapour is just above the
Check out the video linked on the following page. It's awesome!
What do all of you think?
Hitler Panics Over Rossi's Energy Catalyzer
A parody compiled by Hank Mills has Hitler bemoaning: If cold fusion
technology
hits the market place the oil industry will lose BILLIONS of dollars in
I think that heavy Rydberg matter dipole shielding of the nickel nuclei
allow protons to penetrate the nuclear coulomb barrier of nickel atoms.
In Rydberg matter, this dipole shielding goes as the 7th power of the number
of atoms in the Rydberg matter assemblages. This polarization of Rydberg
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