Re: [Vo]:130C steam : Lotsa Rossi Updates, Running out of Cash?
Am 17.09.2011 02:05, schrieb Terry Blanton: Exactly the suggestion I made in March, duplicating Naudin's Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator (MAHG) setup: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm sigh T Hey, this looks interesting! I do however not believe the ZPE theory. I dont think energy can come out of vacuum. The surplus energy -if there is any- could come from LENR reactions. Apparently this method is repeatable and works in a stable sustained and controllable way and that makes it very interesting.
[Vo]:Rossi 1MW plant in a small box - active cooling required?
Hello, I think Rossis 1MW box would need active cooling or ventilation inside. Ok, the ecats are thermal isolated, but as repeatedly stated by Rossi and others, no isolation is perfect. Just watch Rossis Krivit-demonstration. When he touches the isolated surface he pulls back his fingers fast, becouse the surface is hot. So I think, this box will need active ventilation. Especially if something goes wrong (steam leaking) it should become rather hot inside and quite fast. Peter.
Re: [Vo]:130C steam : Lotsa Rossi Updates, Running out of Cash?
Am 17.09.2011 10:05, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 17.09.2011 02:05, schrieb Terry Blanton: Exactly the suggestion I made in March, duplicating Naudin's Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator (MAHG) setup: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm sigh T Hey, this looks interesting! I do however not believe the ZPE theory. I dont think energy can come out of vacuum. The surplus energy -if there is any- could come from LENR reactions. Apparently this method is repeatable and works in a stable sustained and controllable way and that makes it very interesting. BTW, around anno 1950 there where special hydrogen-iron resistors available. These are iron filaments in a hydrogen athmosphere. These where used for current limiting. When the Iron filament reaches a temperature above some 100 degrees, the resistance will go up and the current will be limited. I wonder if anybody has made precise calometry for such a device. Maybe the resistance rise come from overheating by LENR effects? These devices are still available at ebay: http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313_nkw=eisen+wasserstoff_sacat=See-All-Categories (Eisen Wasserstoff Widerstand is the german expression for Iron-Hydrogen-Resistor) Should I get such a beast and try it? ;-) Peter
RE: [Vo]:BLP's CIHT
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The paper is dated 2010, not 2011. Right. That is why I am thinking that the 18 months (before publication) will be over 'any day now' and we should be able to learn the details (at least to the level that one 'skilled in the art' can duplicate the direct conversion results). Obviously, if true, this blows Rossi completely out of the water. But Mills has been a massive disappointment to investors and observers for almost 20 years, so no one is holding their breath. Horace suggests that enough of the technology may be covered in other patents so that there is no new filing. That could be true, but it seems to be completely out of character with Mills' history of massive IP filings in the past. BLP is a patent filing machine if nothing else. RM has mentioned direct electrical conversion in several other patents, but a few of those involved converting UV light emission to electricity via photocells. My favorite was the reverse gyrotron, which was the biggest disappointment of all. The CIHT looks to have a more direct route like a battery, where there is possibly a pn junction involved (reminiscent of the late Paul Browns betavoltaic battery) except employing UV instead of beta particles to provide the emf. Is there a way to polarize UV emission in advance? Magnetism? Jones -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner http://tinyurl.com/28a8pxu It would be instructive to see the patent application, which is not mentioned in this PR release. An application was surely filed before the very first announcement of CIHT was made, which could have been prior to the 18 month period normally allotted (prior to open publication in the USA). I've wasted and hour or two searching the recently published applications both here and on the espace site - but to no avail. However, it should be out any day now ... unless some kind of secrecy order has attached.
RE: [Vo]:130C steam : Lotsa Rossi Updates, Running out of Cash?
-Original Message- From: Peter Heckert BTW, around anno 1950 there where special hydrogen-iron resistors available. These are iron filaments in a hydrogen atmosphere. These where used for current limiting. When the Iron filament reaches a temperature above some 100 degrees, the resistance will go up and the current will be limited. I wonder if anybody has made precise calorimetry for such a device. Should I get such a beast and try it? ;-) Definitely you should try a simple test, Peter ! To wit: Iron is also a prominent catalyst in Mills CQM theory because of the energy hole that occurs when the first three ionized electrons are temporarily removed - which adds up to 54.742 eV. A perfect fit would be 54.4 eV (4Ry) but the vibration modes of a hot filament should present the proper kind of catalytic hole on occasion, and the result should be UV emission. Most UV at that level is downshifted by the glass, but you could possibly see fluorescence in a darkened room for a few seconds, when everything is switched off - that is - if there is a Mills' reaction. If so, then proceed to calorimetry :-) Jones attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Lewan uploads temperature data for Sept. 7 run
Rich, I enjoyed reading about your personal experiences, particularly the mistakes hardships you encountered and your honorable endeavors to rectify them. It gave me some insight into you. Thank you for sharing them. BTW, ten years ago I lost five grand playing the commodities market. Fortunately, it was only my own retirement account that suffered the consequences. I consider the experience a valuable lesson learned... a unique kind of tuition, you might say. Just so you know, I never got a degree in psychology. FWIW, it's been my experience that acquiring a degree in psychology is no guarantee that one will acquire a better understanding of the eccentricities of human nature. I would instead suggest making a few stupid (and occasionally unavoidable) mistakes throughout one's life. Following such folly, willingly or unwillingly, appears to have been the most valuable degree I've had to take. As you may recall I took issue to the following statement you made: ...-- I suspect Jed is likely to agree within a few days. You seem to be inferring that either Rossi and/or Mr. Rothwell are sibling[s] in need of ...mild accepting, nonpushy outlines... all this in order to ...highlight a possible breakthrough... presumably in reference to their evolving opinions. I cannot speak for Mr. Rothwell and certainly not for Rossi, but I suspect that both of them could care less about any advice and/or opinions you might want to dispense presumably for their benefit, especially dispensed within the medium of a public forum. Why would anyone care to accept advice dispensed in such a manner. My previous plea was to suggest that we are in mutual service to one another when we endeavor to express as clearly as we can the lessons we learned from our life and the subsequent opinions that evolved from those lessons. You did just that such as when you posted some of the financial mistakes you made back in 1988 trying to be a successful day trader. Thank you for sharing that. I feel your pain! Doing so is in mutual service to others as it gives them the freedom to choose to learn whatever insight wisdom they can glean from the hard lessons you learned. But leave it at that. The other side of the coin to my plea was to strongly suggest that we leave predictions pertaining to the personal evolution of another person's personal opinion. the evolution of their personal insights, in their own capable hands. It is of no mutual service to have the evolution of someone else's personal opinion and insights predicted by strangers, especially in a public forum. It's just plain annoying. I hope I have at least been able to express what it was about your previous post that riled me so. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat
Here are some band heater specs. Notice the max temps, http://www.omega.com/heaters/pdf/HEATER_INTRO_BAND_REF.pdf, As I've said before I think thermal inertia neatly explains it all. Although there is a slight rise in temp after power off its hard to believe that CF knows when we switch the power off and then puts in such a poor showing. Its more likely an anomaly or perhaps due to diffusion time. The amount of energy pumped into the E-Cat before even the first water overflow is quite large as I have said. It would also appear that a band heater can get hot enough to heat the E-Cat metal to the proper temp. The possible amount of steam produced would seem to be less than 3.0 - 1.8= 1.2 g/s (maybe less since overflow and pump inlet are known or checked very well). If I recall correctly it takes about 2250J/g to vaporize. So only 2700W would be necessary to vaporize 1.2g. There may also be other liquid besides overflow entrained in the steam. Too bad no one measured the heat of the overflow. In all there seems to be some heat unaccounted for if you take the overflow and inlet measurements at face value and assume steam is dry. But there is too much inaccuracy in these to seriously conclude. Also thermal inertia would seem to explain everything nicely. Why dosen't someone do a run without hydrogen for comparison? - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat On Sep 15, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: [snip] As metal content of the E-Cat is at the same temperature as water content, This is an assumption with no (apparent) foundation. All 80 kg of E- at will not be at the water temperature. If the new E-cat is heated by a band heater, then the outside metal blanket will be *much* hotter than the water. We need to know the structure of the new E-cat. it does not matter where the probe is installed. It matters where the probe is installed. It might not even be in the steam or water. Here is a poser. If the temperature probe is in the steam/water, why is it that when the internal pressure is a couple atmospheres that there is no leakage around the probe. I recall seeing in a video the probe being easily removed from one of the early E-cat demo machines. Even if they do not exactly match, there is still a correlation because heat conduction speed is somewhat constant. We only look for the correlation. Do we actually know what the input flow was, or the water outflow was, after the power was shut off? Yes. Peristaltic pumps are quite predictive. –Jouni So, what then do you predict the flow from the pump would be if a water inlet valve in the machine were closed? It is a good thing to have measurements instead of estimates. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
