Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: it could be used to prevent potatoes to germ, but we rather use chemical to avoid atomic fear. It will probably prevent AR from germinating. :-) Actually, irradiation is used in 50 countries today and we consume over 500,000 metric tons of irradiated food annually. Irradiated food has a nice green symbol for reassurance that it is safe, the Radura symbol. T
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
The use of food irradiation varies significantly from country to country. In the UK for example, it can only be used for dried aromatic herbs, spices, and vegetable seasonings. The same variation in attitude towards such things could well mean that there are very different challenges to getting E-cats approved in different countries. Nigel On 13/03/2012 11:35, Terry Blanton wrote: It will probably prevent AR from germinating. :-) Actually, irradiation is used in 50 countries today and we consume over 500,000 metric tons of irradiated food annually. Irradiated food has a nice green symbol for reassurance that it is safe, the Radura symbol. T
[Vo]:Krivit- Florida and Rossi-- Hmmmmmm
Greetings Vortex, I think that this hasn t been posted yet: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/03/12/trouble-for-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat/ Best, Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Krivit- Florida and Rossi-- Hmmmmmm
Greetings Vortex, I think that this hasn t been posted yet: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/03/12/trouble-for-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat/ Also posted here: http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Critics-Attempt-to-Damage-Rossis-E-Cat-with-Unfounded-Complaints.html http://tinyurl.com/7ln7n9o Looks like the same article, or close to it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:CNN: U.S. to file trade case against China over rare earths
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: China, citing... Environmental concerns? Yeah, right. Once upon a time, I had a great concern about rare earths, mainly neodymium. Along with other interested parties, we researched other sources of rare earth elements (REE). REE are not really rare. Placer mines, eg veins of easily obtained REE are rare. Placers are not really veins like gold but settlement sands which are rich in the REE. The Mountain Pass mine in California was the largest producer of REE from 1965 until it was shut down in 2002. It actually was shut down due to environmental concerns. Thorium and radium are two pollutants resulting from REE mining. Mountain Pass will open again this year thanks to the Chinese. Today new techniques are being exploited to mine REE. Toyota Tsusho will begin production of some REE from Indian mine tailings where India had mined thorium and uranium. Our research indicates that iron mine tailings also have a significant amount of REE and we have mountains of iron tailings. A secret technique is presently in the works to tap this resource. I don't know a lot about it; but, it grew from an invention which used a high speed vortex to convert almost any hydrocarbon to usable fuel. Apparently, it works somewhat like the isotope centrifuges much in the news lately. So, while we complain about China's virtual embargo presently, necessity being the mother of invention, new techniques could result in much less expensive REE in the long term. Oh, it's interesting to note that REE mining grew exponentially in the 60s due to the need for europium in color television. T
RE: [Vo]:CNN: U.S. to file trade case against China over rare earths
Opened last month, but not full production http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a9e8676e87fad805702b98564 http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a9e8676e87fad805702b98564id=aaec2518fe e=%5bUNIQID id=aaec2518fee=[UNIQID] the hold up now is a natural gas pipeline From: Terry Blanton Mountain Pass will open again this year thanks to the Chinese.
Re: [Vo]:CNN: U.S. to file trade case against China over rare earths
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Opened last month, but not full production Molly be damned! They're trucking in LNG. Must be due to the military industrial complex need. I understand Mountain Pass is weak in dysprosium and other REEs; so, we remain dependent on some elements. T
Re: [Vo]:Krivit- Florida and Rossi-- Hmmmmmm
I think that this hasn t been posted yet: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/03/12/trouble-for-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat/ Also posted here: http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Critics-Attempt-to-Damage-Rossis-E-Cat-with-Unfounded-Complaints.html http://tinyurl.com/7ln7n9o I was amused by one of the concluding remarks made by the writer, Brian Westenhaus, of OilPrice.com: ... So here’s what you humble writer is thinking: This isn’t a story about Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat. It’s a story about Gary Wright, Steven Krivit, a bunch of follow along bloggers and readers. There isn’t any E-Cat news. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Krivit- Florida and Rossi-- Hmmmmmm
I too suspected that Gary Wright was more than just a concerned citizen. Kudos for creativity, Krivit or whomever... One thing in the BRC report... Rossi says his plant will be in Florida. Looking for companies with a presence in FL... this one springs to the front for robotic assembly, energy, and engineering.: http://www.automation.siemens.com/ - Brad
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
I'm interested, where do you share your design? link? Guenter, the idea of an open source LENR project is worthwhile. I have shared my design and will continue to share it in the hopes that it will On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Bastiaan, very informative and timely link. This was just what I was looking for. 0.3 J per spark, means that at 300 hz, I am providing 90W of equivalent resistive heating to the reactor. I believe this should be enough to heat the reator to the necessary temperature to initiate the LENR effect. Guenter, the idea of an open source LENR project is worthwhile. I have shared my design and will continue to share it in the hopes that it will spur greater cooperation. My designs alway use off the shelf parts and pipe fittings you can get from McMaster, Lowe's or Ebay, so they are low cost. My entire setup including the vaccuum pump, the Data logging and all (except supplies) is under $350. My reactor design is disposable, and cost at the most $50 if using the best stainless steel fittings. I do not believe there will be any economies of scale to be had with my design cause they already use the cheapest parts. I think keeping it simple and low cost is one of the keys to successfully replicating Rossi. I wish Bill will consider converting this list into a forum format so that we can share attachments and other files. From: Bastiaan Bergman To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark And a copy of the paper can be found here : http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric-pressure.pdf On Mar 12, 2012 5:11 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: www.fusioncatalyst.org Andre On 03/11/2012 09:20 AM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: hello guys, just an idea: Working together on an open source-LENR-device. There seems to be quite some knowledge here at vortex, and a couple of people seem to work in their backyard on their own devices. This is suboptimal. How about that: introduce some economy of scale: lets say ten devices, which need not be identical, but have a common base, e.g. nano-Nickel, a certain type of reaction chamber, hydrogen etc. the basic construction could be implemented via division of labour. one builds the basic reaction-chamber, the other procures the nano-Nickel, the third provides for some basic electronics, and so on. It does not make sense to procure nano-Nickel in every individual case. I'm thinking of about maybe ten devices, which share a common design, and can be freeley varied to optimize the effect. The overall concept seems to be straightforward enough, to make this a reasonable approach. It would have the consequence, that nobody can monopolize the technology via patents or secret sausages etc. Waiting for Godot in the form of Rossi or Defkalion otr Miles or McKubre is starting to go onto my nerves. What do You think? Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 11:14 Sonntag, 11.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Dreaaammm weaver, wait is that gary wright ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nn0L6055gs :)
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Hi Bastiaan and others, I'm currently a in a bit of a hurry in my job, so just a couple of lines of thinking: 1) I read this study A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric- ... which I found quite interesting. a) the setup allows good calorimetric measurements b) its is simple c) It produces about 3e19 H-atoms per second, which seems to be a good number and could be up to a distance of ca 40mm before recombining d) actually, due to the generating process, these must be mostly Ions (protons), because the pink light is is indicative of a plasma. e) at first I was sceptical wrt spark generation, but this one here serves a different purpose, more like ignition in a combustion motor, so it is easily controlled. 2) idea of a setup (proof of concept-type): a) use the basic setup for H-/proton generation b) use a planar layer of Nano-Nickel on the surface of the copper-block, which is used for calorimetry c) direct the Protons to the Nickel-layer via a moderate electrostatic field, say 100V/cm, which is easy. d) measure the amount of excess heat, if there is any e) use a heating coil to heat up the reactive side, where the Nickel is located to some 200-400deg Celsius. 3) Nickel-powder selection a) there are basically lots of suppliers, mostly Chinese b) particle-sizes offered are mostly in the sub-100nm region, which some here consider too small. I do 'nt know. c) a cheap way to get some compromise-size is this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nano-Nickel-Powder-1217g-N1-200-200nm-Ni-NanoNickel-/310248791616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item483c44de40 200nm Nickel seems reasonable to me for a first try. look at it and tell 'us' what You think. 4) Nickel-powder treatment. a) My first intuition is, that the powder has to be deoxydized, by whatever method: hydrogen atmosphere at elevated temperatures. I currently do'nt know. Maybe its irrelevant, because the reactive chamber is reductive. 5) Spark-generation a) this should be easy (at least for me) Think TV-tubes which used to produce 20kV DC. 6) Yes, we should find a repository for non-text-documents. 7) This proposed first setup is intended as a intergroup (dis)proof of concept, and not a real working horse, warming one's home or such. Even if Rossi or Defkalion have working devices, which I have some doubts, the process to my opinion is not understood. My personal aim is, to intergrate available knowledge, and give the establishment-academics some boost, to move their butts and do their duty. This for the first round. best regards Guenter Von: Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:53 Dienstag, 13.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark I'm interested, where do you share your design? link? Guenter, the idea of an open source LENR project is worthwhile. I have shared my design and will continue to share it in the hopes that it will Thanks Bastiaan, very informative and timely link. This was just what I was looking for. 0.3 J per spark, means that at 300 hz, I am providing 90W of equivalent resistive heating to the reactor. I believe this should be enough to heat the reator to the necessary temperature to initiate the LENR effect. Guenter, the idea of an open source LENR project is worthwhile. I have shared my design and will continue to share it in the hopes that it will spur greater cooperation. My designs alway use off the shelf parts and pipe fittings you can get from McMaster, Lowe's or Ebay, so they are low cost. My entire setup including the vaccuum pump, the Data logging and all (except supplies) is under $350. My reactor design is disposable, and cost at the most $50 if using the best stainless steel fittings. I do not believe there will be any economies of scale to be had with my design cause they already use the cheapest parts. I think keeping it simple and low cost is one of the keys to successfully replicating Rossi. I wish Bill will consider converting this list into a forum format so that we can share attachments and other files. http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric-pressure.pdf
[Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found
Check out those eye sockets: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/bizarremummygiantheadperu.php T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzFs2CdIoc On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Check out those eye sockets: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/bizarremummygiantheadperu.php T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found
Maybe it came out this hole. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/buried-spacecraft-found-austria-_n_1341622.html -Original Message- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzFs2CdIoc On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Check out those eye sockets: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/bizarremummygiantheadperu.php T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found
Another was found http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378400/Body-dead-alien-Siberia-claims-UFO-hurtling-earth.html -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found Maybe it came out this hole. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/buried-spacecraft-found-austria-_n_1341622.html -Original Message- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Hybrid Mummy Found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzFs2CdIoc On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Check out those eye sockets: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/bizarremummygiantheadperu.php T
RE: [Vo]:Krivit's new diagnosis: Rossi is a crazy cucko! WOW!
From Daniel: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/13/ugo-bardi-andrea-rossi-may-be-a-be liever-not-a-scammer/ WOW! This is a fascinating article. It's well worth reading, skeptical it may be. Be sure to watch the You Tube videos! Some kewl Kung-Fu mind games going on there! I read the article by Ugo Bardi. I thought it was well written, even if I might have come to a different conclusion in regards to Ugo's assessment of Rossi's erratic behavior. I noticed that in regards to commentary suggesting that Rossi has probably deluded himself, the lack of evidence link the author points to is... well, what do you know!!! New Energy Times! Some circuitous self advertising going on here on Mr. Krivit's part. I realize this is but a fantasy of mine, but I wish Mr. Krivit would apply the same Cassandra rationale in regards to what appears to be his current belief in the infallibility of the Widom Larsen theory as he has applied towards Rossi. Another fantasy of mine is that I wish Krivit would get back to reporting the news instead of interpreting the news for his readership. The tragedy here is that there really is no need to continue an agenda against Rossi. Rossi will end up either prevailing on his own merits or self-destruct due to a lack of them. In the end, it won't matter one whit what Krivit believes. However, the fact that Krivit continues to interpret Rossi's actions for the benefit of his readers suggests to me that Krivit basically remains insecure about his own ability to convince them that his conclusions are the correct ones. Therefore, he continues hammering away with his relentless agenda against Rossi - as much to convince himself as he does to convince his readership. That tells me everything I need to know about Krivit. It's also pretty much exact same approach Krivit has employed in the past when he has gone after other individuals he has investigated, individuals he personally felt were being untruthful or perhaps behaving in deceitful ways. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
