Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
Farmers will be able to take vacation, instead of having no life in France and ending to ask for a legal association (kind of cross-protection in case of death Civil wedding ) between older brother/sister who cannot find a mate and live together (it was asked during study of gay civil wedding bill

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is how Amazon.com robots work. The machines themselves are not particularly sophisticated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBa9yVZBJM

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Axil Axil
Amazon can develope of product delivery system that will allow the customer to receive all his consumables via robot, This would eliminate all supermarket and brick and mortar stores from the product distribution chain and also remove the delivery driver from the delivery process, People will not

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: So, during the transition, when robots are too good, but not that good, > people will be unemployed (or very, very low pay job), right? > Perhaps, but not necessarily. Social policy such as the minimum wage can ameliorate such problems, at the cost of

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why do you think taxation won't be very heavy? Money won't appear out of nowhere, minimum wage will only accelerate collapse. And there is still no answer about the debts. In any case, there will be a finance disaster way worse than that of 1929.

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: > The idea of a basic income is much older. > ​Here is a history of the idea of basic income and how it has evolved > alongside the emergence of the welfare state.​ > http://basicincome.org/basic-income/history/​ > > The idea is old, but the modern version

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, during the transition, when robots are too good, but not that good, people will be unemployed (or very, very low pay job), right? So, there is the UBI to fix that. Right. So, there will a very heavy taxation on those who make robots and other productive industry and that will be shared by the

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Axil Axil
China will lead the way. China has 1.5 billion people to keep happy with no jobs to offer. It is true that all coastal cities worldwide within 100 miles of the coastline will be underwater and in need of relocation inland, That should produce a number of jobs. On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 11:02 PM,

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread H LV
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > ​Universal basic income isn't a neo-communist proposal. >> > > It was first proposed by conservative economists Friederich Hayek and > Milton Friedman. There is a lot of

[Vo]:OT: TOWARDS UNCONDITIONAL BASIC INCOME, a Randomized Controlled Trial to Come

2016-11-26 Thread H LV
KENYA: FROM UNCONDITIONAL CASH TRANSFERS TOWARDS UNCONDITIONAL BASIC INCOME, a Randomized Controlled Trial to Come In a recent IMPAKTER interview, as part of a series exploring the UN Sustainable Development Goals, Ian Bassin (Chief Operating Officer, Domestic, of GiveDirectly), explains how his

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread H LV
​ O​ n Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Basic Income is a neo liberal proposal. It would allow, at a first moment, > to politically privatize welfare and healthcare services, in places where > otherwise there would exist universal care, to be in the

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
The U. Bath document references a seminal paper in this field by a libertarian: IN OUR HANDS A Plan to Replace the Welfare State Charles Murray THE AEI PRESS Publisher for the American Enterprise Institute WASHINGTON, D.C.

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
How will economy improve if people are simply not buying? And it will be much more costly. I am thinking about 90% of unemployment.

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is another concept central to this discussion -- There are no permanent solutions in technology, economics or social policy. Take a Watson class supercomputer. Such a thing would be impossible with 19th century Babbage computer technology. In 1970 it would have been extraordinarily

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

2016-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Why do you think taxation won't be very heavy? > Because it will not cost much more than today's welfare systems, as I said. > Money won't appear out of nowhere, minimum wage will only accelerate > collapse. > Money always appears out of nowhere