The fact Rossi is telling the truth is clear and obvious at this point.
Your irrational skepticism is what is mysterious. When the E-Cat technology is
powering the world I hope you will reveal your true identity, and admit to the
fact you trolled forums across the net trying to attack it. Of
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
How dare he. Internet, my foot.
Just in case you were serious, the archives here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ are most certainly on the
internet.
Dear Bastiaan,
It is better, however facts are are facts and truth is truth, and priority
is... you can guess it...priority!
FYI- BRIEF HISTORY CHRONOLOGY OF Ni-H LENR
- 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the
University of Siena, accidentally discovers the
In my opinion, Piantelli's work is meaningless. He was not able to do anything
with Ni-H fusion.
Piantelli is like a person who discovers heavy crude oil. Andrea Rossi is the
person who was able to refine it into high grade jet fuel, and use it to power
an aircraft.
Anyone who thinks that
5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have
helped Piantelli to understand he was seeing a Cold Fusion, as it was
called back then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened
when it touched a piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that
should not be
Useless. If negative, the Rossi camp could safely claim that the Bologna
guys still did not know how to get the process started correctly - that
does seem to be something touchy even for Rossi. And if positive, the
anti-Rossi camp could safely claim (just as now) that at least someone in
group
Dear Colleagues,
I am very busy to solve the puzzle of Ni-H LENR, however it is is Sunday
my best working day so I am offering you the newest issue of INFORMAVORE's
SUNDAY:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/11/informavores-sunday-no-483.html
I would be very happy if you will discover
Am 27.11.2011 12:05, schrieb Marcello Vitale:
Useless. If negative, the Rossi camp could safely claim that the
Bologna guys still did not know how to get the process started
correctly - that does seem to be something touchy even for Rossi. And
if positive, the anti-Rossi camp could safely
Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence
driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high
density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables:
reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re
electrolytic cells --
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Otherwise, I will have to bring
back my unicorn example again.
Adjacent to an alien anal probe thread, this triggers imagry of equine
agony. Arrgh!
T
Chapter 5 (page 107) of the 2011 doctoral thesis Numerical Simulation of
Tornado-like
Vorticeshttp://vortexengine.ca/cfd/Diwakar_Natarajan_Full_thesis.pdf
by
Diwakar Natarajan concludes that cross-winds do not affect the power
generation capacity of the AVE, but it appears that this is only with
From: Peter Gluck
* Dear Bastiaan,
* It is better, however facts are facts and truth is truth, and
priority is... you can guess it...priority!
* FYI- BRIEF HISTORY CHRONOLOGY OF Ni-H LENR
Peter,
I am surprised that you overlooked Randell Mill's earlier priority dates and
Please do not be surprised, Randy considers that his process
has nothing to do with Rossi's or Paintelli's.
And the BLP technology (I still hope to see it working more or less
publicly this year) is hyperchemistry while Ni-H LENR is nuclear.
other leagues no competition. In case you are interested
A friend of mine who was working on LENR in the past noted that Stainless
Steel containers become quite porous to Hydrogen at around 800 C.
This being the case, would this not limit Rossi's temperature gradient from
reactor, through its container, lead, and then surrounding water. As in
all(?)
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.comwrote:
The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional
technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one
megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less
than one
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.comwrote:
The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional
technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one
Am 27.11.2011 17:24, schrieb Jeff Sutton:
A friend of mine who was working on LENR in the past noted that
Stainless Steel containers become quite porous to Hydrogen at around
800 C.
This being the case, would this not limit Rossi's temperature gradient
from reactor, through its container,
From Jed:
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want
to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has
done
thus far with invited guests including press and scientists?
Although the kill file approach doesn't work due to responses, one can
use email filters such as gmail's to filter not only on the from field
but on words that occur in the body of the message.
The increase in signal to noise ratio is a pleasure.
Oh, I almost forgot: For gmail, the action to take upon filter match is
delete. Others won't get rid of the noise.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:32 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Although the kill file approach doesn't work due to responses, one can
use email filters such as gmail's
I got no reply from my Nov 22 submission. so I resent it (with a different
email).
Accepted : I'm officially on the 9,998-to-go list. (Me and Aussie Guy ... are
you on both the 10K and the 110K list?)
Google falls down
http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google_gravity/
(no naked protons here)
Harry
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:21:47 +0200:
Hi Peter,
Please do not be surprised, Randy considers that his process
has nothing to do with Rossi's or Paintelli's.
And the BLP technology (I still hope to see it working more or less
publicly this year) is hyperchemistry
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret it
as evidence of a scam. They should admit that fraud is a rational conclusion.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 13:05, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent
Dear Robin.
I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or
Piantelli) has
As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works) I think that
Piantellis' theory is the most realistic, logically consistent, and
confirmed by experiment from the many theories I have
On 2011-11-27 21:52, Peter Gluck wrote:
[...]
As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works)...
It's interesting to know that not only Ni (in addition to Pd) works.
I assume that Fe-H LENRs could be possible, at least in theory; I wonder
at what efficiency, compared to Nickel.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or
Piantelli) has
As McKubre says, the violates conservation of miracles. This is just a
feeling but it seems unlikely there are many different previously
undiscovered ways to get
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:52:13 +0200:
Hi Peter,
[snip]
Dear Robin.
I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or
Piantelli) has
I'm well aware that Randy doesn't want to have anything to do with CF.
As regarding Transition Metals-H
I've switched my web-mailer to send text, rather than html.
With a bit of luck my posts won't lose their
line
feeds.
If this were a real post
- Original Message -
I got no reply from my Nov 22 submission. so I resent it (with a
different email).
Accepted : I'm officially on
In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:58:43 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
On 2011-11-27 21:52, Peter Gluck wrote:
[...]
As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works)...
It's interesting to know that not only Ni (in addition to Pd) works.
I assume that Fe-H LENRs could be
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret
it as evidence of a scam.
Misdirection is routinely practiced by most businesses. IBM was
In reply to Alan J Fletcher's message of Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:23:40 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Need 500C steam for electrical.
At 120C steam the inside
temperature is too high .. not a very stable situation.
This just means that the thermal conductivity needs to be improved. A design and
Thanks for the interesting read:
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html
Amazing the amount of transmutation products found in Water Trees.
Will talk to a few friends in the local power utility to see what they
know of from first hand experience.
AG
On
So, Rossi is claiming series E-Cats again? What is the sense of this?
The purpose of the coolant is to transfer heat away from the core. A continuous
flow through four series E-Cats will remove different amounts of heat from each
series Cat. The increasing input temperature of each Cat will
Ok, replace evidence with reasonable indication, but I believe the original
point remains.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 16:16, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
Rossi claims to have experimented with many materials.
ISTR he said he tried one formula which gave a higher output than his current
catalyst ... but it was too difficult to control.
On Nov 26, 2011, at 23:25, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is an outrage! I object! Larsen called me the textually prolific
Internet poster-commenter Mr. Jed Rothwell. Textual, yes. Prolific, sure.
But I do not post on the Internet. This is a mailing list, not the Internet.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret
it as evidence of a
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:20:47 +1100:
Hi,
[snip]
In reply to Alan J Fletcher's message of Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:23:40 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Need 500C steam for electrical.
At 120C steam the inside
This got stuffed up during composition. It should
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Google falls down
http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google_gravity/
Google has a million of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google's_hoaxes
I particularly like the barrell roll search.
T
With GMail, it is better to reduce noise by searching unvanted people and
keywords and mark them automatically as read. Then it is simple to to keep
inbox clean, but still the filtering is not final solution, but they can be
always unfiltered, if needed.
Brief instruction to filter noise:
1)
Actually 'includes the words' searches also the 'subject' and 'from'
fields in GMail (this is google's product after all). Therefore there
is only one filter (the latter) required if email addresses are
included in key words.
–Jouni
On 28 November 2011 01:18, Jouni Valkonen
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
Joking, yes?
No, I believe Larsen is serious. It is hard to judge.
- Jed
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Interestingly, Steorn's investors have never made a public statement or
taken the company or its officers to court and they are most certainly and
obviously a scam.
Getting back to my definition, do you have any evidence for that, where
evidence is
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM's vaporware gambit was a scam and the DOJ took IBM to court for it
and also Kodak for similar maneuvers.
As far as I know, the DOJ lost these cases. It would be difficult to
prevent this practice. It is widespread in every industry, as are many
other
Just an FYI.
-mark
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-physicists-molecule-identical-atoms.html
Found this paper referenced on the web: Journal of Electroanalytic
Chemistry.JEC 319 (1991) 161-175 Elevated-temperature excess heat
production in a Pd D system, by Liaw, Tao, and Liebert. Couldn't find
it in the lenr-canr archives. It does seem to be a significant peer
reviewed result.
Mary, you must be real naïve about the business environment
You claim that,
Ripoffs are far from inevitable and in fact rarely happen from big
companies when dealing with established inventions and inventors. And when
it does happen, the companies often end up losing in court-- losing big.
I mean, you're joking that vortex isn't the Internet.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 18:42, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
Joking, yes?
No, I believe Larsen is serious. It is hard to judge.
- Jed
Liebert's still around :
http://www.me.hawaii.edu/faculty/liebert.htm
You've probably googled these already, but here's some related stuff
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2doc=GetTRDoc.pdfAD=ADA282335
CHARGING HYDROGEN INTO Ni IN HYDRIDE-CONTAINING MOLTEN SALTS
It was in the 1990 paper :
- Original Message -
Liebert's still around :
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/F/F199010.PDF
1990 : EXCESS HEAT USING MOLTEN-SALT ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL
By Professors Liaw, Tao, Turner, Liebert
As an example shown in the last entry in TABLE I, the
How in H**L was that result ignored? But then again if 300 Ktons / y of
Rossi's Nickel fuel (at 2.3 tons / TWh) will reduce the amount of fossil
fuel used for energy production to zero, well there could be a reason.
AG
On 11/28/2011 11:31 AM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
It was in the 1990 paper :
From:
http://faq.ecat.com/112449/how-much-nickel-and-hydrogen-will-it-take-to-generate-one-megawatt-of-heat-continuously-for-six-months/
it will take 18 kg H and 10 kg Ni fuel to generate 4.4 GWh of heat =
0.44 GWh / kg of Ni fuel,
2.3 kg of Ni fuel / GWh,
2.3 tons of Ni fuel / TWh
300 kTon of
Therefore it
also most probably falsifies Znidarsic's theory, if it is truly
classical/deterministic theory.
.
I compute the probability of transition which is not deterministic. The
probability is based on the electron
emerging at the
The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is he wants to keep
the power output of each core the same by running each at a different
temperature.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
So, Rossi is claiming series E-Cats again? What is
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
With GMail, it is better to reduce noise by searching unvanted people and
keywords and mark them automatically as read.
I tried that, but Gmail organizes things in conversations that includes
read messages in the
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM's vaporware gambit was a scam and the DOJ took IBM to court for it
and also Kodak for similar maneuvers.
As far as I know, the DOJ lost these cases. It would be difficult to
The URL:
http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/wipo/Amplification-energetic-reactions/WO2011123338.html
links to Brian Ahern's USPTO Application published Sept 29, 2011, entitled -
AMPLIFICATION OF ENERGETIC REACTIONS
The provisional title had been Amplification of Nuclear Reactions in
Metal
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Interestingly, Steorn's investors have never made a public statement or
taken the company or its officers to court and they are most certainly and
obviously a scam.
Getting back
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Mary, you must be real naïve about the business environment…
** **
You claim that,
“Ripoffs are far from inevitable and in fact rarely happen from big
companies when dealing with established
The next 12 months will not be boring.
AG
On 11/28/2011 12:56 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
The URL:
http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/wipo/Amplification-energetic-reactions/WO2011123338.html
links to Brian Ahern's USPTO Application published Sept 29, 2011, entitled -
AMPLIFICATION OF
This a submarine patent if I ever saw it. I put the vibration of
nano-particles in the public domain years ago with my lectures and posts
http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_5_11_12.html
Mary,
As is typical with your MO, you're shooting from the hip. You just make up
stuff so it appears you have rebutted a person's points, and in this case,
you've really f*cked up.
The part you chose to miss is that Kearns was a precedent.
You missed the whole meaning of the
I would agree. I believe 2012 will see the start of the LENR worldwide
patent wars that will rage on for years and years. Injunctions will be
sought against all who are claimed to be patent violators. The LENR
business worldwide just might grind to a halt under the weight of the
patent wars
World demand for nickel peaked in 2006 at 1.4 million tonnes; it is now down to
about 1M tonnes. 300K tons is not going to be that hard to supply... and the
transition from petroleum-based energy to CF/LENR (if it happens, and is not
delayed for decades by legal battles) will ramp up over
From an Australian point of view and seeing we have the world's largest
Nickel deposits, I suspect that as demand increases there are a few
Nickel mines and refineries that will spring back into life. I expect
the E-Cats that are rolling off the assembly line in 2 years will use
less Ni per
Of all of this patent goings on, no one has applied for a patent to produce
electrical power directly from a LENR reaction. The don't know enough. They
are just making thermal energy to spin a turbine. I wanted to wait until I had
a working model but I may as well put my name in the hat and
I hope you get it working too. All the best mate.
AG
On 11/28/2011 3:17 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Of all of this patent goings on, no one has applied for a patent to
produce electrical power directly from a LENR reaction. The don't know
enough. They are just making thermal energy to
I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great problems
of corrosion.
Rule No. 6 of problem solving says: NOT the main desired positive effect,
but those secondary negative and/or undesired effects decide in most cases
if a solution is implemented.
It seems corrosion was so
Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe
http://bostonglobe.com/business/2011/11/28/cold-fusion-project-looks-for-home-massachusetts/w7FgGyI9Zx432chxuD5BEL/story.html
Rossi has interesting glasses in this picture. Anybody knows what they are?
Never saw anything like that. Are they his own invention? If so he could
always try to sell them if the catalyst thing doesn't turn out for the best.
G
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM, David ledin
The usual black pot witch's brew -- ah, yes, severe corrosion -- would
Heffner or Cude like to give this one a close shave -- more details
than Rossi -- be fun to practice on something new -- any followup
research by anyone?
within mutual service, Rich Murray
As I pointed out before
Tamarin said the meeting was mostly used to discuss the possibility of
setting up manufacturing, rather than the validity of the science A
statehouse would be a funny place to talk about the validity of the
science One goes there to talk about tax breaks.
Moreover
“Rossi
by the way, we observe the situation from far away, without
good legal tools.
abour Rossi's company, Defkalion and so on, the only reasonable possibility
of scam, is that Defkalion is a fake company, partner of the scam,
the secret client(s) too...
does anybody have access to the legal registrar
- Original Nachricht
Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 28.11.2011 06:19
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D
system in 1991
I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great problems
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