Re: [Vo]:IR UFOs

2012-11-24 Thread Robert Dorr


They seem to traverse the sky at about the speed of low earth orbit satellites.

Robert Dorr



At 09:23 AM 11/23/2012, you wrote:

I'm sure that there is an explanation for this; but, I'm at a loss to
explain it:

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/406174/20121119/ufo-sighting-australia-melbourne-video.htm#.UK-ugIfAfvR




Re: [Vo]:IR UFOs

2012-11-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's because they are low Earth orbit black holes

Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com

On Saturday, November 24, 2012, Robert Dorr wrote:


 They seem to traverse the sky at about the speed of low earth orbit
 satellites.

 Robert Dorr



 At 09:23 AM 11/23/2012, you wrote:

 I'm sure that there is an explanation for this; but, I'm at a loss to
 explain it:

 http://au.ibtimes.com/**articles/406174/20121119/ufo-**
 sighting-australia-melbourne-**video.htm#.UK-ugIfAfvRhttp://au.ibtimes.com/articles/406174/20121119/ufo-sighting-australia-melbourne-video.htm#.UK-ugIfAfvR





[Vo]:Dundee man accused of 'recklessly producing household electricity'

2012-11-24 Thread Nigel Dyer
I think we should know more, and this may serve as a warning to anyone 
attempting kitchen table LENR experiments in the UK


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857

Nigel




RE: [Vo]:Dundee man accused of 'recklessly producing household electricity'

2012-11-24 Thread Jones Beene
LOL

http://www.anorak.co.uk/340393/strange-but-true/dundee-man-charged-with-reck
lessly-producing-household-electricity.html/

Well - treadmill or no, we would like to know if he was actually successful
in going off-grid - and if the failure to pay for power is what got him in
trouble. More likely was the neighbors were complaining about the noise.


-Original Message-
From: Nigel Dyer 

I think we should know more, and this may serve as a warning to anyone 
attempting kitchen table LENR experiments in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857

Nigel






RE: [Vo]:Dundee man accused of 'recklessly producing household electricity'

2012-11-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Nigel:

 

 I think we should know more, and this may serve as a warning

 to anyone attempting kitchen table LENR experiments in the UK

 

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857

 

The article concludes with:

 

 ... he had this man-made assembly in his house suspended from

 the ceiling by thin ropes.

 

 There was a car battery and cans of petrol nearby.

 

Indeed.

 

As far as being informative this article is completely worthless. There is
no way to discern how Mr. McKenzie's transformer assembly, presumably
suspended from the ceiling operated.

 

One might as well ask: What happens on dark and stormy nights at McKenzie's
flat. 

 

More power I-gore!

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

 



Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-24 Thread James Bowery
First of all, the pop quiz, consisting of a single question, was not
answered.  Guaranteed F right there.

Secondly, its touching that a few numbers were
offeredhttp://darkmattersalot.com/2012/11/23/a-dog-knows/as an
appearance of a start to a counter-argument to the hamburger helper
hypothesis, however they were buried in verbiage that did very little, and
zero arithmetic to advance that argument.  In the words of the Late Great
John McCarthy:  He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

You get an F+

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 Just trying to get my grade up at the unaccredited Bowery U, I have placed
 an explanation on my blog on how a massive collapsed matter particle from a
 CME can achieve and maintain orbit through and around the Earth.  If you
 have 5 minutes it is on my blog

 Stewart
 darkmattersalot.com





 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 The other thing to note is the particle is in a decaying Earth orbit, not
 your silly ass Wolfram 1st grade example.


 On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:

 I'm sorry, that answer is only a little better than Its in the library
 somewhere.

 You get an F.

 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Read my blog


 On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:

 Pop quiz!

 Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
 maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
 shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
 hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
 physics.

 Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the
 two body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
 bodies is known.

 Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the
 gremlin of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of
 a gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
 kilometers per second?

 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on
 more than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a
 lower limit on mass:

 If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large
 exposures
 it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass

 Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
 the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
 place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
 interact with.

 Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
 you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
 to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
 attempt to steer you gravitationally.

 Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while
 you were not watching and listening to me.

 Stewart
 darkmattersalot.com








 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.comwrote:

 My, Goodness!

 You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
 Earth

 http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/

 And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger
 helper physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s
 rather than km/s!


 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
 knowledge

 local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
 http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf

 fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
 particle

 I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
 you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
 that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
 cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.








 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.comwrote:

 iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at
 a distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater
 force than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin
 travelling at speeds orders of magnitude above escape





Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

I think what he's trying to say is that a fast D nucleus can also knock an
 inner
 electron out of Pd, which can then in turn accelerate another D nucleus,
 in a
 train of reactions.


I am reminded of a pinball machine, where the palladium atoms are the
devices with the rubber bouncers that flip the ball across to the other
side.  Once you drop a pinball into the machine, it can go for quite a
while before falling through the opening at the bottom.  Another image that
comes to mind is letting go of several marbles at the top of a board with
nails nailed into it in a cross-hatch fashion.

Maybe the cracks that Ed Storms draws our attention to facilitate something
here -- in a perfect lattice, perhaps there is less occasion for movement
of this kind, whereas it becomes more possible when there is a small amount
of void for the D nuclei to bounce around in.  In a noble gas, maybe the
analogy would be that of letting a bull go in a china shop. ;)

One question I have has to do with the energies.  At 20 keV, would an
incident D nucleus impart enough momentum to the palladium atom enough to
unseat it from the surrounding lattice?  If so, it does not seem like such
an interaction could last for very long before the local region was altered
significantly.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas

2012-11-24 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Axil, agree totally. I have a relative who was studying walkaway-safe,
thorium fueled, gas-cooled pebble bed reactors (just another of many
alternatives along the lines you suggest) way back in the Carter
administration. And in all this time we haven't done anything about it.

Jeff


On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:


 “So a secondary power system that doesn't rely on the plant at all
 (batteries, diesel generators, etc.) is mandatory.”

 This sort of system is active; active is bad, but a completely passive
 reactor shutdown process is entirely possible. The nuclear industry in the
 west will not build such a system because it is not a light water reactor.
The Indians will use sodium heat pipes for passive reactor cool down.
 This is possible because the Indians use liquid lead as a coolant.



 Cheers:Axil

 On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:

 So a secondary power system that doesn't rely on the plant at all
 (batteries, diesel generators, etc.) is mandatory.





Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas

2012-11-24 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Around two-thirds is right. Many online sources quote 32% and I recall
33% from a class I took eons ago.

Two other things:

1. Controlling the reactivity of an operating reactor is extremely complex.
See for example Section 3, Core Cell Improved Design, here:
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~doster/NE405/Manuals/BWR6GeneralDescription.pdf

2. For any large generator, the load has got to roughly match the
generating capacity unless you want to damage or destroy the equipment.
This why generating plants (of all types) trip offline so aggressively when
something goes seriously wrong with the electrical grid.

The idea of the operators trying to modulate the plant reactivity and also
switch in massive dummy loads to match the plant output, all in the midst
of an accident scenario that may have left the plant in an unknown
condition, seems wildly unrealistic to me.

Jeff



On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:41 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  David Roberson's message of Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:07:53 -0500
 (EST):
 Hi,
 [snip]
 That is the same question I asked myself when the problem first came up.
  I concluded that a scram most likely was necessary since the output of the
 reactor is normally many times the requirement to supply the backup
 equipment load.  I suspect that it would be extremely difficult to back the
 power output downward enough without loosing system stability.  In fact,
 the power resulting just from the nuclear decay elements might exceed the
 load required with no ability to dissipate the excess energy safely.  One
 might wonder if the left over heat could be deposited within the inlet
 water as long as the pumps were operating.  I suppose that it might have
 been possible had the personnel at the reactors been trained to handle the
 problem in that manner.

 I think the thermal efficiency of most nuclear plants is around 25-30%.
 That
 means that they usually dispose of around two thirds of their full power
 output
 as waste heat. IOW if the auxiliary equipment is operating, then they can
 easily
 dispose of even the total power output at a reduced operating level.

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas

2012-11-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have a relative who was studying walkaway-safe, thorium fueled,
 gas-cooled pebble bed reactors (just another of many alternatives along the
 lines you suggest) way back in the Carter administration. And in all this
 time we haven't done anything about it.


Bear in mind that the Fukushima reactors were built during the Carter
administration. Even if the pebble bed design had been perfected and
implemented by the mid-1980s, most operating reactors today would already
have been in place.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread Eric Walker


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2012, at 13:33, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 As mentioned previously, the fast D nuclei will lose most of their energy to
 valence Pd electrons, this analogy doesn't work very well. It would be more 
 like
 a pinball machine that was coated with glue. The ball doesn't get very far.

If Ron's mechanism works with Kshell vacancies, could it also work with valence 
electron vacancies? I think this would mean there would be an elastic collision 
instead of photon emission. In that case, would there necessarily be a loss of 
momentum for the lower energy incident D nucleus?

Eric


[Vo]:Fwd: Live Video Conference: The Revolutionary Plasma Power Technology of Josef Papp

2012-11-24 Thread fznidarsic


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Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas

2012-11-24 Thread mixent
In reply to  Jeff Berkowitz's message of Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:20:24 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Around two-thirds is right. Many online sources quote 32% and I recall
33% from a class I took eons ago.

Two other things:

1. Controlling the reactivity of an operating reactor is extremely complex.
See for example Section 3, Core Cell Improved Design, here:
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~doster/NE405/Manuals/BWR6GeneralDescription.pdf

2. For any large generator, the load has got to roughly match the
generating capacity unless you want to damage or destroy the equipment.
This why generating plants (of all types) trip offline so aggressively when
something goes seriously wrong with the electrical grid.

The idea of the operators trying to modulate the plant reactivity and also
switch in massive dummy loads to match the plant output, all in the midst
of an accident scenario that may have left the plant in an unknown
condition, seems wildly unrealistic to me.

Jeff

It is. :) 

However that's not quite what I had in mind. To start with, it would probably
require some physical modifications to the plant, and also changes to automated
control. 

BTW they shouldn't need to switch in massive dummy loads. The sort of things
that could be done are:

1) Reduce power output to a minimum by inserting control rods.
2) Dump steam directly from the secondary coolant circuit if needed initially.
3) Restrict steam flow to a single turbine (not necessarily one of the main
   turbines; this could be a smaller turbine with little more than enough
   capacity to power the plant).

I suspect that similar measures are already taken when a reactor is scrammed
anyway. IOW what I have in mind is more like reducing the power output of the
plant to a bare minimum rather than a complete scram, with any remaining excess
power dumped as heat into the cooling system rather than being converted into
electric power.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread mixent
In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:56:31 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2012, at 13:33, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 As mentioned previously, the fast D nuclei will lose most of their energy to
 valence Pd electrons, this analogy doesn't work very well. It would be more 
 like
 a pinball machine that was coated with glue. The ball doesn't get very far.

If Ron's mechanism works with Kshell vacancies, could it also work with 
valence electron vacancies? 

Possibly, but it wouldn't do you any good. The only possible use for a D nucleus
with a kinetic energy of a few eV is in spreading heat around.

I think this would mean there would be an elastic collision instead of photon 
emission. In that case, would there necessarily be a loss of momentum for the 
lower energy incident D nucleus?

Pointless line of thought, and no it wouldn't be elastic. (The ball in the
pinball machine heats up the glue). ;)
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Nov 24, 2012, at 14:47, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Pointless line of thought, and no it wouldn't be elastic. (The ball in the
 pinball machine heats up the glue). ;)

I'm sure you're right. I was just thinking that if the majority of the heat 
energy was confined to the D nuclei, then dissipation of energy from the system 
would not be too great, and there would be occasion for a large number of 
collisions with varying levels of energy -- I think you were saying that a 
large number of collisions would be needed to get a fusion.

If the collisions are inelastic, then I understand there will be energy 
transferred to the lattice. But the size of the substrate atoms is large 
compared to the deuterons, so perhaps the treansfer of energy would be minimal? 

I will go read a physics textbook now and spare you further interrogation. ;)

Eric


Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread mixent
In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:21:23 -0800:
Hi Eric,
[snip]
On Nov 24, 2012, at 14:47, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Pointless line of thought, and no it wouldn't be elastic. (The ball in the
 pinball machine heats up the glue). ;)

I'm sure you're right. I was just thinking that if the majority of the heat 
energy was confined to the D nuclei, then dissipation of energy from the 
system would not be too great, and there would be occasion for a large number 
of collisions with varying levels of energy -- I think you were saying that a 
large number of collisions would be needed to get a fusion.

Not just a large number of collisions. Ron's theory is specifically about D
nuclei that approach a Pd nucleus to within about 100 fm (i.e. the size of the K
shell). So it's not just about collisions, it's about two D nuclei being at a
distance of 100 fm from a Pd nucleus at the same time. (Mind you I think the
chances of this are about on a par with a snowflakes hope in hell ;)

(Though I suspect that a head on collision between two 20 keV D nuclei in free
space would be almost as useful).

Note that only the 20 keV D nuclei can get that close, and they have to get
lucky and penetrate to the K shell before they lose too much energy ionizing Pd
valence electrons.

The question that needs to be answered is:

If a 23 MeV alpha from the fusion reaction creates 100(?) 20 keV deuterons, then
what is the chance that two of them will arrive at the K shell of the same Pd
atom concurrently? (They don't hang around for very long.)

If the collisions are inelastic, then I understand there will be energy 
transferred to the lattice. But the size of the substrate atoms is large 
compared to the deuterons, so perhaps the treansfer of energy would be 
minimal? 

A deuteron is a charged particle, and as it passes through another atom, it
disrupts the (mostly valence) electrons of the atom it's passing through, and
ionizes the atom to varying extents. This costs energy which comes from the
kinetic energy of the passing charged particle (in this case a deuteron).
Consequently, every atom along the way that gets ionized decreases the energy of
the passing deuteron. BTW the same thing happens to the fast alpha from the
fusion reaction. Later these ionized atoms will retrieve free electrons and
release photons of various wavelengths. Thus the energy of the reaction is
spread across many atoms in the lattice as chemical energy which is ultimately
converted (degraded) into heat.


BTW2 This may also tie in with Paul Brown's device. If the ionized electrons
have kinetic energy of their own that is well in excess of the ionization
energy, and a strong magnetic field is in place, then you may get cyclotron
radiation as the electrons head for home, i.e. back toward a positively
charged ion. If you can find a way to synchronize this cyclotron radiation and
capture it, then you have a means of converting fast particle energy into
electric power, without using heat as an intermediary.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:The excimer laser

2012-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
If a pinball machine were to follow the rules of quantum mechanics, this is
how it would work.

The pinballs would be strongly attracted to the rubber bouncers like they
were magnets…they would gain more energy if the obstruction was large. For
a large obstruction, the pinballs would stick like glue to the rubber
bouncer and gain loads of speed and momentum.

This is called Anderson Localization.

In our discussions to date, the question that has not yet been addressed in
detail is how fatigue cracks in cold fusion electrodes, nano-hairs on the
surface of micro-grains and pitting in the wire that Celani uses all
contribute to the cold fusion process.

This question revolves around the wave based quantum mechanical property
called Anderson localization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_localization
What nature does in one instance, she can act in an opposite way in another.

For instants, the wave nature of a quantum particle can cause a quantum
mechanical phenomenon where a particle tunnels through a barrier that
classically it could not surmount.

Anderson localization is the opposite quantum mechanical phenomenon where a
particle is fixed at a location that it classically should have no problem
in surmounting.

Think of it this way: in our classical world, a helicopter can fly over a
mountain range without being disturbed by the underlying landscape,
provided that it flies higher than the highest mountain, or provided that
for the height at which it flies, there is a labyrinth of valleys allowing
it to cross the mountain chain.

But in the quantum world, a quantum helicopter has a very good chance of
being unable to cross the chain, even if there is a percolating path of
valleys, and, in some situations, even if it has enough energy to fly over
the highest peak. And even more perplexing, the higher this quantum
helicopter flies the less chance it has to get over the mountain.

What happens instead is that its quantum wave remains trapped, due to the
interference of the multiply reflected wave at the various mountain peaks.
And the lager the electron is, that is, the more energy it has, the more
likely the obstacles in its path will nail it to its original position;
this strange behavior gives rise to a phenomenon known as Anderson
localization.
Read more at:

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-broadens-quantum-mechanics.html#jCp

When high energy electrons flow over a cracked, hairy, or pitted surface,
these electrons will pile up and accumulate because their large wave forms
are snagged by these surface imperfections. The bigger these quantum
particle wave forms are, the more likely that these particles will be
impaled and imprisoned by these surface imperfections.

The same is true for proton cooper pairs that these imprisoned high energy
electrons produce via the Shukla-Eliasson effect.
These cooper pairs first form a pile of stuff called a Bose glass. A Bose
glass is a disordered form of a Bose-Einstein condensate. When the
conditions become favorable, these localize pairs form a Bose-Einstein
condensate.

In QM speak, these nonlinear bosonic matter waves can undergo a
localization-delocalization quantum phase transition in any spatial
dimension when the interaction strength is varied; the transition brings
the system from a non-interacting Anderson insulator to an interacting
superfluid.

For the research that supports this new quantum mechanical interpretation
see

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CB8QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnature%2Fjournal%2Fv489%2Fn7416%2Ffull%2Fnature11406.htmlei=635iULfnNYTO0QHU8YDoDQusg=AFQjCNEFWcWRYj5-jhRJNdgy7xEmcrTgRQsig2=_-S22pviwufHLkkd99P9iA

Also see.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4403

This reference is the underlying paper called Bose glass and Mott glass of
quasiparticles in a doped quantum magnet

This concept is one of the important concepts in LENR and I will not tire
in explaining it until you understand quantum mechanics enables LENR.


Cheers:Axil

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 I think what he's trying to say is that a fast D nucleus can also knock an
 inner
 electron out of Pd, which can then in turn accelerate another D nucleus,
 in a
 train of reactions.


 I am reminded of a pinball machine, where the palladium atoms are the
 devices with the rubber bouncers that flip the ball across to the other
 side.  Once you drop a pinball into the machine, it can go for quite a
 while before falling through the opening at the bottom.  Another image that
 comes to mind is letting go of several marbles at the top of a board with
 nails nailed into it in a cross-hatch fashion.

 Maybe the cracks that Ed Storms draws our attention to facilitate
 something here -- in a perfect lattice, perhaps there is less occasion for
 movement of this kind, whereas it becomes more possible when there is a
 small amount 

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Live Video Conference: The Revolutionary Plasma Power Technology of Josef Papp

2012-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
Slide show

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Axil

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